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    Re: Ap survey: Us income gap is holding back economy

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Are you keeping up with who you're talking to? I never quoted the commie manifesto, nor defined anything.

    for sure, and that seems to be the alternative to a market driven wage you reject



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    Re: Ap survey: Us income gap is holding back economy

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    for sure, and that seems to be the alternative to a market driven wage you reject

    Ok. So anyone who suggests that maybe just MAYBE a little adjustment might be called for, that just POSSIBLY there might be room for some improvement over cut-throat lassiez-faire free market operation absolutely MUST be calling for full-on communism, right?


    Geeze Turtle.

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    Re: Ap survey: Us income gap is holding back economy

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Ok. So anyone who suggests that maybe just MAYBE a little adjustment might be called for, that just POSSIBLY there might be room for some improvement over cut-throat lassiez-faire free market operation absolutely MUST be calling for full-on communism, right?


    Geeze Turtle.
    you open the door to such subjective BS you open the door.

    and while you might not be-you have been around the gun argument enough to know that the extremists will support each incremental step.



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    Re: Ap survey: Us income gap is holding back economy

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Nope. We haven't moved off that much if at all.

    What we are running into is either an unwillingness or an inability of people to make the necessary moves to get themselves back into a productive position. That also explains the change in your EPI quote.

    If your job used to be "assembly technician" and 10 years ago a robot took your job that sucks but it doesn't mean that you can't or shouldn't retrain into another position.
    In part robots have not overtook a lot of jobs here in the USA. For the most part we still have assembly line working jobs, unless they have been offshored.


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    Re: Ap survey: Us income gap is holding back economy

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you open the door to such subjective BS you open the door.

    and while you might not be-you have been around the gun argument enough to know that the extremists will support each incremental step.

    Just because there are extremists on both sides, doesn't mean that a reasonable middle ground can't exist.

    People working full time doing jobs other people want them to do ought to make a reasonable wage... not brain-surgeon wage, but by Gawd somebody wants them to do that job instead of doing it themselves, and someone working and doing the best they can shouldn't go without a decent standard of living.

    Oh hell nevermind, Turtle... I've never seen any sign that you have the slightest idea what the lives of blue-collar working folk are like, and I'm too tired to make another vain effort to enlighten you about it.

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    Re: Ap survey: Us income gap is holding back economy

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    In part robots have not overtook a lot of jobs here in the USA. For the most part we still have assembly line working jobs, unless they have been offshored.
    Yes, they are available, but there is more competition for them. I would suggest an all out assault on energy production to utilize the excess labor...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Ap survey: Us income gap is holding back economy

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Just because there are extremists on both sides, doesn't mean that a reasonable middle ground can't exist.

    People working full time doing jobs other people want them to do ought to make a reasonable wage... not brain-surgeon wage, but by Gawd somebody wants them to do that job instead of doing it themselves, and someone working and doing the best they can shouldn't go without a decent standard of living.

    Oh hell nevermind, Turtle... I've never seen any sign that you have the slightest idea what the lives of blue-collar working folk are like, and I'm too tired to make another vain effort to enlighten you about it.
    the working class hero crap doesn't work with me. I have a degree in labor relations and if people want to stay blue collar so be it. But I tire of people claiming someone ought to be paid more than their market worth



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    Re: Ap survey: Us income gap is holding back economy

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    We will be, if we do what you suggest. It'll close the gap alright...everybody will be poor. (This is where you usually come up with another insult)
    Sooo... Pretty much every single industrialized country on the face of this planet is going to turn up like the USSR? Why? Because they have more progressive system of taxation and generally a bigger welfare state than ours?


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    Re: Ap survey: Us income gap is holding back economy

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    what is holding back the economy is too many people thinking others need to take care of them
    Dont mind the increase of productivity...


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    Re: Ap survey: Us income gap is holding back economy

    I don't even begin to care what most economists think.

    Most economists are macroeconomic ignoramuses - they completely missed the dot.com crash and the housing bubble/crash. No reason to think they will suddenly find some economic common sense now.


    Do I doubt that the income gap is growing - nope.

    But with 'too big to fail', artificially low interest rates (which helps banks and their 'carry' trade with the Fed AND hurts those on fixed incomes hugely), massive QE (which helps the rich by indirectly pumping money into the stock market), increasing defence budgets which help no one but the military industrial complex and huge fiscal deficits funding massive government handout programs (at the cost of higher taxes); it's no wonder the wealth gap is growing.


    You want to reduce the gap? Stop bailing out the big corporations (and their rich shareholders), stop allowing the Fed to artificially inflate the stock market (which benefits the rich shareholders) and allow interest rates to rise to their 'natural' levels (which will help those on fixed incomes get something for all their years of savings).

    That would be a start.
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