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    Re: North America to Drown in Oil as Mexico Ends Monopoly

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    It's your job to quantify, or at the very least show that the costs are greater then collapsing consumer demand and our industrial sector. It's not that I don't believe in climate change, I do. But if the "cure" causes more misery then the disease, what does that say about the doctor?
    Oh its my job huh? I'm the U.S. fossil fuel to alternative energy budget czar now? I haven't researched this extensively but the estimates of the damage of climate change are in the trillions... Can you possibly think that is LESS than transitioning away from fossil fuels? Come on now you're just being silly.

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    Re: North America to Drown in Oil as Mexico Ends Monopoly

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    Oh its my job huh? I'm the U.S. fossil fuel to alternative energy budget czar now? I haven't researched this extensively but the estimates of the damage of climate change are in the trillions... Can you possibly think that is LESS than transitioning away from fossil fuels? Come on now you're just being silly.

    I love how "climate change" is an excuse for everything...

    Progressives take an absolutely natural process and turn it into "human terrorism on nature."

    If you want to debate that I can can destroy you in one post just with common sense or nature.

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    Re: North America to Drown in Oil as Mexico Ends Monopoly

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    As far as people go: I'm currently in Mexico and no one here is happy with this. As it is, companies already get away with some of the biggest labor abuses here. With the new investors that will come, the prediction by locals is that the government will be used as a punishing force to anyone who dares oppose oil companies. The comparisons to Nigeria aren't exactly helping. Nigeria is rife with human rights abuses, destruction of habitat and labor abuses. Most Mexicans are already predicting it will also happen here. The next elections will be very interesting to watch. It's already a given that the PRI will lose power federally. The oil producing states of Chiapas, Veracruz and Tabasco are already looking at serious demonstrations. People are well aware of the way in which the government has abused its power to enforce the wishes of corporations.

    The violence: The Gulf of Mexico is a place of interest for most as it is currently controlled by the Gulf Cartel and Zetas. When/if Mexico succeeds in luring interests, most Atlantic Ocean states will likely see an increase in violence and even the possibility of an upsurge in kidnappings. It's already happening with the mining industry. Cartels have taken over some mines as well as kidnapped important mining figures in the states of Guanajuato, Zacatecas & San Luis Potosi.

    The economy: It is a given that in Mexico, wealth does not trickle down. Governors in the state that I'm in have a history of 1) Using violence/kidnappings to establish their position 2) Steal outrageous sums of money/benefits/licenses from coffers and 3) leave the state. So people are more than convinced that once oil companies are allowed to invest in Mexican oil fields, governors will charge a "fee" for them to operate, siphon the money from whatever levy/taxes are paid by oil companies and then leave. Essentially, for most this means that corruption in the state will actually grow.

    My opinion: The only people who seem to be celebrating are those who are those outside of Mexico. Few are actually aware the level of corruption that exists within the country and future investors should be ready to pay out a lot of cash to 1) local governors, 2) cartels and 3) federal employees before they even think about investing here. They will also have to think twice about the violence that will follow their investment. Mexico is not ready for companies to invest in it - not by a long shot.
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    Re: North America to Drown in Oil as Mexico Ends Monopoly

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    Let us drown in oil and our children drown in its consequences!
    Yes, which will be a thriving economic engine that runs on oil! (Assuming Obama doesn't destroy it all.)
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    Re: North America to Drown in Oil as Mexico Ends Monopoly

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    And you think they will be allowed to own all of Mexicos?
    I don't believe China is stupid enough to want to.

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    Re: North America to Drown in Oil as Mexico Ends Monopoly

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    I love how "climate change" is an excuse for everything...

    Progressives take an absolutely natural process and turn it into "human terrorism on nature."

    If you want to debate that I can can destroy you in one post just with common sense or nature.
    Please do.

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    Re: North America to Drown in Oil as Mexico Ends Monopoly

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    Please do.
    Please don't. There's no reason to venture into red herring territory. If you wish to bring up impact, the pollution involved is sufficient.

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    Re: North America to Drown in Oil as Mexico Ends Monopoly

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    Please do.
    Argue your man induced terrorism on the environment first...

    Or maybe I can just state that humans are part of nature, the same as deer.

    Maybe climate change is just a natural process.

    I have several more arguments.

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    Re: North America to Drown in Oil as Mexico Ends Monopoly

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Please don't. There's no reason to venture into red herring territory. If you wish to bring up impact, the pollution involved is sufficient.
    then maybe mr. nick would care to explain what the nitrogen cycle is, and how human activity has caused a normal natural process to go haywire and create dead zones like the one in the gulf of mexico?
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    Re: North America to Drown in Oil as Mexico Ends Monopoly

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Please don't. There's no reason to venture into red herring territory. If you wish to bring up impact, the pollution involved is sufficient.
    Hahaha...

    You seem to want to hear the status quo...

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