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    Re: North America to Drown in Oil as Mexico Ends Monopoly

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    Let us drown in oil and our children drown in its consequences!
    Huh ??

    You people don't seem to be too concerned when it comes to the massive debt your President is passing off to the "children".

    But make believe end of the world scenarios concern you ??

    Silly silly.

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    Re: North America to Drown in Oil as Mexico Ends Monopoly

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    As far as people go: I'm currently in Mexico and no one here is happy with this. As it is, companies already get away with some of the biggest labor abuses here. With the new investors that will come, the prediction by locals is that the government will be used as a punishing force to anyone who dares oppose oil companies. The comparisons to Nigeria aren't exactly helping. Nigeria is rife with human rights abuses, destruction of habitat and labor abuses. Most Mexicans are already predicting it will also happen here. The next elections will be very interesting to watch. It's already a given that the PRI will lose power federally. The oil producing states of Chiapas, Veracruz and Tabasco are already looking at serious demonstrations. People are well aware of the way in which the government has abused its power to enforce the wishes of corporations.

    The violence: The Gulf of Mexico is a place of interest for most as it is currently controlled by the Gulf Cartel and Zetas. When/if Mexico succeeds in luring interests, most Atlantic Ocean states will likely see an increase in violence and even the possibility of an upsurge in kidnappings. It's already happening with the mining industry. Cartels have taken over some mines as well as kidnapped important mining figures in the states of Guanajuato, Zacatecas & San Luis Potosi.

    The economy: It is a given that in Mexico, wealth does not trickle down. Governors in the state that I'm in have a history of 1) Using violence/kidnappings to establish their position 2) Steal outrageous sums of money/benefits/licenses from coffers and 3) leave the state. So people are more than convinced that once oil companies are allowed to invest in Mexican oil fields, governors will charge a "fee" for them to operate, siphon the money from whatever levy/taxes are paid by oil companies and then leave. Essentially, for most this means that corruption in the state will actually grow.

    My opinion: The only people who seem to be celebrating are those who are those outside of Mexico. Few are actually aware the level of corruption that exists within the country and future investors should be ready to pay out a lot of cash to 1) local governors, 2) cartels and 3) federal employees before they even think about investing here. They will also have to think twice about the violence that will follow their investment. Mexico is not ready for companies to invest in it - not by a long shot.
    I guess that means it's better to not have a job at all, so as to avoid the corruption and labor abuses. That's one way to fix things.
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    Re: North America to Drown in Oil as Mexico Ends Monopoly

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Huh ??

    You people don't seem to be too concerned when it comes to the massive debt your President is passing off to the "children".

    But make believe end of the world scenarios concern you ??

    Silly silly.
    The massive debt is the result of healthcare for the elderly, an enormous defense budget, and tax cuts for the only people who have a lot of money (the super rich). These are all Republican causes so I don't know what you think you're talking about. Go shakedown the local poors in your neighborhood and give Uncle Sam the 15 bucks cash and 40 dollars in food stamps and throw it at the deficit, see where it gets us.

    End of the world? Silly? You said it, not me.

    The consequences will cause a great deal of hardship on future generations, possibly even causing some fairly tragic events to unfold. The world will not end, it will just go on in a substandard fashion for humans because previous generations were greedy and didn't care while the easy energy bubbled out of the ground.

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    Re: North America to Drown in Oil as Mexico Ends Monopoly

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    As far as people go: I'm currently in Mexico and no one here is happy with this. As it is, companies already get away with some of the biggest labor abuses here. With the new investors that will come, the prediction by locals is that the government will be used as a punishing force to anyone who dares oppose oil companies. The comparisons to Nigeria aren't exactly helping. Nigeria is rife with human rights abuses, destruction of habitat and labor abuses. Most Mexicans are already predicting it will also happen here. The next elections will be very interesting to watch. It's already a given that the PRI will lose power federally. The oil producing states of Chiapas, Veracruz and Tabasco are already looking at serious demonstrations. People are well aware of the way in which the government has abused its power to enforce the wishes of corporations.

    The violence: The Gulf of Mexico is a place of interest for most as it is currently controlled by the Gulf Cartel and Zetas. When/if Mexico succeeds in luring interests, most Atlantic Ocean states will likely see an increase in violence and even the possibility of an upsurge in kidnappings. It's already happening with the mining industry. Cartels have taken over some mines as well as kidnapped important mining figures in the states of Guanajuato, Zacatecas & San Luis Potosi.

    The economy: It is a given that in Mexico, wealth does not trickle down. Governors in the state that I'm in have a history of 1) Using violence/kidnappings to establish their position 2) Steal outrageous sums of money/benefits/licenses from coffers and 3) leave the state. So people are more than convinced that once oil companies are allowed to invest in Mexican oil fields, governors will charge a "fee" for them to operate, siphon the money from whatever levy/taxes are paid by oil companies and then leave. Essentially, for most this means that corruption in the state will actually grow.

    My opinion: The only people who seem to be celebrating are those who are those outside of Mexico. Few are actually aware the level of corruption that exists within the country and future investors should be ready to pay out a lot of cash to 1) local governors, 2) cartels and 3) federal employees before they even think about investing here. They will also have to think twice about the violence that will follow their investment. Mexico is not ready for companies to invest in it - not by a long shot.
    I'd say you left out one big group of those celelbrating. Particularly the oil workers and those thinking of it as career field. Oil workers in Mexico make about 500% of the average income. Nothing to scoff at.

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    Re: North America to Drown in Oil as Mexico Ends Monopoly

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    I'd say you left out one big group of those celelbrating. Particularly the oil workers and those thinking of it as career field. Oil workers in Mexico make about 500% of the average income. Nothing to scoff at.
    Mexico's oil workers gather at the Plaza of Wailing to bemoan corruption and unpaid wages | World news | Guardian Weekly

    But for the Mexicans flocking there by the thousands to work for those contractors as non-union welders, pipe fitters, industrial divers and even toilet cleaners, there are other landmarks that speak to the bleak future they fear as President Enrique Peña Nieto seeks historic changes to expand private and foreign investment in the world's eighth-largest oil company.

    Stops on this tour include the "Plaza of Wailing", where workers gather to complain about low wages and corrupt bosses; the Last Resort restaurant, where they can eat a meal on credit when they aren't paid on time; and Bocho, one of the $5-a-night bunk-bed
    hotels where they sleep before shipping out to the oil platforms that drill in Mexico's biggest oilfields.

    While government officials promise that new jobs and other opportunities will arise from opening up Pemex to foreign investors, workers said they are already experiencing a kind of privatisation that the state-run oil monopoly has been engaged in for decades – awarding contracts to companies that hire workers as cheaply as possible to service the platforms spread across the massive oilfields off the coast of the island city.
    "Imagine – I'm going to the platform tonight at 3am, and I have not been paid my salary in two months," said an industrial diver named Antonio, 44, who did not give his last name because he feared that the company he works for would fire him. "And there are thousands like me … Do you know how much money the owner can make playing with our salary for two months?"
    You simply have no idea what it is you're talking about. Mexican oil workers are at the forefront of people worried by this new development. They are also some of the most abused in the country when it comes to wages and rights. They are not paid 500% more than the average worker in Mexico. That's an assinine comment to make in a country where no mimimum wage is established. Mexico is a country where someone can make from 3 dollars an hour to 70,000 a month by being a local politician. So how did you come up with the 500% figure? You made it up or got it from some oil company website.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I guess that means it's better to not have a job at all, so as to avoid the corruption and labor abuses. That's one way to fix things.
    If the options are

    1. to be oppressed by a corporation that is backed by the government when it doesn't pay wages, refuses to give health benefits for accidents etc.
    2. Not have a job

    You may as well not have a job. I wouldn't expect someone who has benefited from the rights unions have fought for to get that. However, in Mexico, such rights are not guaranteed and the government is very unlikely to back workers when abuses are committed. In fact, historically it has acted as a corporation lackey due to the bribes paid off and the general patronship relationships here in Mexico come hand in hand with.
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    Re: North America to Drown in Oil as Mexico Ends Monopoly

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    This is good for America.
    Instability at the border is good for America? Get serious and call me when you've been paying attention to the last 6 years.
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    Re: North America to Drown in Oil as Mexico Ends Monopoly

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Mexico's oil workers gather at the Plaza of Wailing to bemoan corruption and unpaid wages | World news | Guardian Weekly





    You simply have no idea what it is you're talking about. Mexican oil workers are at the forefront of people worried by this new development. They are also some of the most abused in the country when it comes to wages and rights. They are not paid 500% more than the average worker in Mexico. That's an assinine comment to make in a country where no mimimum wage is established. Mexico is a country where someone can make from 3 dollars an hour to 70,000 a month by being a local politician. So how did you come up with the 500% figure? You made it up or got it from some oil company website.



    If the options are

    1. to be oppressed by a corporation that is backed by the government when it doesn't pay wages, refuses to give health benefits for accidents etc.
    2. Not have a job

    You may as well not have a job. I wouldn't expect someone who has benefited from the rights unions have fought for to get that. However, in Mexico, such rights are not guaranteed and the government is very unlikely to back workers when abuses are committed. In fact, historically it has acted as a corporation lackey due to the bribes paid off and the general patronship relationships here in Mexico come hand in hand with.
    You're going to have a hard time proving that more jobs and economic prosperity are bad for a country.
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    Re: North America to Drown in Oil as Mexico Ends Monopoly

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Instability at the border is good for America? Get serious and call me when you've been paying attention to the last 6 years.
    More jobs in Mexico means fewer illegal aliens coming across the border looking for a job.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: North America to Drown in Oil as Mexico Ends Monopoly

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    More jobs in Mexico means fewer illegal aliens coming across the border looking for a job.
    Good point!

    Greetings, apdst.

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    Re: North America to Drown in Oil as Mexico Ends Monopoly

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    The massive debt is the result of healthcare for the elderly, an enormous defense budget, and tax cuts for the only people who have a lot of money (the super rich). These are all Republican causes so I don't know what you think you're talking about. Go shakedown the local poors in your neighborhood and give Uncle Sam the 15 bucks cash and 40 dollars in food stamps and throw it at the deficit, see where it gets us.

    End of the world? Silly? You said it, not me.

    The consequences will cause a great deal of hardship on future generations, possibly even causing some fairly tragic events to unfold. The world will not end, it will just go on in a substandard fashion for humans because previous generations were greedy and didn't care while the easy energy bubbled out of the ground.
    The green energy subsidies didn't have anything to do with it?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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