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    Re: North America to Drown in Oil as Mexico Ends Monopoly

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    Oh its my job huh? I'm the U.S. fossil fuel to alternative energy budget czar now? I haven't researched this extensively but the estimates of the damage of climate change are in the trillions... Can you possibly think that is LESS than transitioning away from fossil fuels? Come on now you're just being silly.
    Yes it's your job to post such estimates so I have something to more properly criticize. Otherwise you're just blowing smoke.

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    Re: North America to Drown in Oil as Mexico Ends Monopoly

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    LoL, why is it my job to have proof? Where is your proof? I have never looked for "absolute proof" that we can transition to a 100% alternative energy source, neither have I advocated for that in the near term but you like so many others will cling to that strawman to the death.

    What is obvious is that we can have a significant effect that lowers fossil fuel use, which is what you're running from.
    I'm not running from anything. I'm all for nuclear energy and natural gas meeting all our energy needs. Wind and solar will never be able to be more the 10% of total energy production. The economies of scale simply do not work for it.

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    Re: North America to Drown in Oil as Mexico Ends Monopoly

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    I'm not running from anything. I'm all for nuclear energy and natural gas meeting all our energy needs. Wind and solar will never be able to be more the 10% of total energy production. The economies of scale simply do not work for it.
    At this rate both wind and solar will reach US grid parity by 2020. Unsubsidized. Honestly, the cost of solar has dropped 60% since 2011 and is still dropping. We just have to wait it out.
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    Re: North America to Drown in Oil as Mexico Ends Monopoly

    There's a lot of anti-American posters here who don't want Mexican oil industry developed. That's incredibly selfish of them to want Mexicans to be poor and starving.

    But developing Mexico's oil industry is only good if it's American oil multinationals developing the oil and sending it to the U.S. Otherwise this is bad news when China or India get their hands on the oil.
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    Re: North America to Drown in Oil as Mexico Ends Monopoly

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    That's insane...

    You guys have illegals running every which way - through your yards, down the streets...
    Lol no ones running through my property. But I fully support the idea of securing all of our international borders.

    Corruption thrives off of money, in Mexico this will equate to more cartel activity. As it is the Mexican town that most people go to around here isnt a safe place anymore. Lol it was never safe but its even less safe now.

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    Re: North America to Drown in Oil as Mexico Ends Monopoly

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    More jobs in Mexico means fewer illegal aliens coming across the border looking for a job.
    That has already been accomplished with less jobs in the US.

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    Re: North America to Drown in Oil as Mexico Ends Monopoly

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    This is excellent news, but only if somehow the cartels are corraled, which is an age-old problem here and much of the world.

    I fear the U.S. military will be needed to occupy Mexico for this to be possible, and nobody wants that.

    If somehow Mexico became legit, it would help to curtail the mass illegal immigration to the states, but until the cartels are killed off, there's little hope this will work.

    I'm sure Russia and China are giddy. They don't give a rip about cartels and terrorists, they just want their oil.
    Mexico wouldn't allow that, ever.

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    Re: North America to Drown in Oil as Mexico Ends Monopoly

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Oh...so more developement in the oilfield doesn't create more jobs?

    I thought the Christmas season and increased volume at the post office would create more jobs too, but the mailman union does not allow temporary workers to be hired, so the processing of packages is backed up 2 weeks.

    Unions are great.

    We don't know what will happen with this yet.

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    Re: North America to Drown in Oil as Mexico Ends Monopoly

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Wait, I thought you said that this abuse already happens?

    Besides, if US companies were getting busy in Mexico making investments, I'd imagine that they would want to be safe from said cartels. Like it or not, that may be an avenue for the US government to assist Mexico in its local cartel war.
    Why would the US Government get involved when it is private companies doing business?

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    Re: North America to Drown in Oil as Mexico Ends Monopoly

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Interesting, thanks for this.

    But one of the solutions is obvious to me, Mexico is going to have to legalize drugs and once that is done, the Mexican people must start electing politicians that listen to them. And if they don't then have mass strikes/shutdowns to force them to do as they say. Without the ultra-violent drug cartels, I would guess that peaceful protests will be far easier to carry out.

    The cartels are powered mostly by illegal drug money. The governors are corrupted by the cartels (among others). End the flow of drug money and you severely weaken both and the amount of violence will, IMO, undoubtedly plummet.

    Will legalizing drugs in Mexico be easy? Nope.

    But if they ever want the ridiculously powerful cartels and all the corruption/violence/murders they bring to their regions to end, they had better get it done, IMO.

    Will the American government scream bloody murder if Mexico tries to do that...yup, probably. Will the cartel's murder anyone who even attempts to take away their major source of power...yup, probably.
    Hey, it won't be easy. But something has to be done.

    Or yes, then you maybe right in that the oil money will not flow down to most Mexicans...just mostly into the cartel's/corrupt politician's pockets.


    As for Nigeria?

    Yes, Nigerian's are getting screwed. But a ton of their problems are ethnic violence and Nigeria has had a civil war, military junta's and massive political instability for many decades. This was not a stable country before oil started flowing. But as small as it is, at least some money does flow down to the people.
    Taking that money away will just increase the poverty - and greater poverty is not good for anything. It just invites more anger, frustration, violence, disease.

    If Mexico can break the backs of the cartel's by legalizing drugs...I think that would be a very good start.
    How many politicians would vote to legalize drugs when the cartels kidnap one of their kids and hold a knife at each and every one of their throats.

    Do you think the cartel will just let their money flow dry up?

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