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    Re: North America to Drown in Oil as Mexico Ends Monopoly

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Indeed, and I understand the the pros and cons of the Faber process. However, that is not the only cause of dead zones, nor where it is the cause, is it always manmade fertilizers at fault. My point is that dead zones are a natural phenomenon. Where they are strictly man caused, we should and do take efforts to lessen their impact.
    You're making this an issue, when it's NOT.

    There is absolutely ZERO evidence to support any of it other than speculation - and if we're going to use "speculation" than we should be living in water world or "Snowball Earth" as was predicted by the global warming or cooling nuts back in the 70's....

    Funny how we're not all drowning or freezing...

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    Re: North America to Drown in Oil as Mexico Ends Monopoly

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Indeed, and I understand the the pros and cons of the Faber process. However, that is not the only cause of dead zones, nor where it is the cause, is it always manmade fertilizers at fault. My point is that dead zones are a natural phenomenon. Where they are strictly man caused, we should and do take efforts to lessen their impact.
    it does not matter if the cause solely manmade, we are contributing to their creation.
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    Re: North America to Drown in Oil as Mexico Ends Monopoly

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    If you believe that geology is the study of living things you need more than one refresher course to get back up to speed.
    When did I ever say or even imply that?

    No, that would be anthropology (you're being general so)..

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    Re: North America to Drown in Oil as Mexico Ends Monopoly

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    PEMEX employees are some of the highest paid blue collar workers in Mexico. If the wages are filtering down to the actual workers, blame the corrupt union down there.
    More uncited nonsense. Prove it. Show us how much they're paid and then tell us what the average blue collar worker here makes. Bet you can't. Blame the union? For what? Labor abuses? Human rights abuses? Not getting paid? The union doesn't cut the check at PEMEX.
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    Re: North America to Drown in Oil as Mexico Ends Monopoly

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    I never said replace, I said transition. And what makes you so sure? Do you have scientific proof its impossible? What are we going to do when we run out of oil? Humanity will mostly be wiped out because its impossible to do anything else sustainably?

    That is utterly ridiculous.

    EDIT: An example since you said ethanol has not been proven to be sustainable. No its not perfect but it is one tool in the toolbox and can work for certain regions. Alternative energy success is an integrated solution that involves many different sources and technologies. They all add up to create a significant benefit in the long run.

    Ethanol fuel in Brazil - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    It cost the taxpayers an incredible amount of money here between the farm subsidies and government supports needed just so it can survive. Then you have to addresss the various transportation vehicle engines that cause their owners trouble because of the moisture issues that is part of the ethanol blend. I won't burn it in anything I plan on keeping over 1 year.

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    Re: North America to Drown in Oil as Mexico Ends Monopoly

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    You're making this an issue, when it's NOT.

    There is absolutely ZERO evidence to support any of it other than speculation - and if we're going to use "speculation" than we should be living in water world or "Snowball Earth" as was predicted by the global warming or cooling nuts back in the 70's....

    Funny how we're not all drowning or freezing...
    Again you have it wrong, I did not bring this up and have argued that dead spots are a natural phenomenon. You seem to be under the mistaken impression that I am an AGW cultist and are reacting to what I post on that alone, without reading or understanding.

    In fact, we are currently in a TEMPORARY interglacial warming period. So regardless of what man does, snowball earth is the more likely future.

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    Re: North America to Drown in Oil as Mexico Ends Monopoly

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Have to disagree with some of that. Bio-diesel in particular is NOT expensive at all. It's easy to use in existing vehicles and much easier on the environment and the wallet than petrodiesel. Wind and solar are great for local usage, but you're right, they fail at the massive over-production we need to supply the distributed grid. Hydro is the answer there, the snail darter and the rafting folks just need to get over themselves. Fossil fuel use does not need to be replaced, but it does need to be increasingly augmented.

    As to the Mexican oil fields, they are playing out, that's why Mexico has gotten less and less revenue from them. The oil companies have new tech that can get the most out of them, but we're still not talking a sudden long lasting resource for Mexico again. This is like deciding to go out on a big bag of heroin that took all your last ducets to purchase.
    Bio diesel sucks because there is no total industry standard for them to meet so fleets are faced with gelling and complete stoppage of their fleets in colder weather. I know this because we manage the waste that comes from this process for several companies. That waste is all over the board from high akali content to spikes in methanol. There is no way I would burn that **** in a 70k-200k vehicle.

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    Re: North America to Drown in Oil as Mexico Ends Monopoly

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Again you have it wrong, I did not bring this up and have argued that dead spots are a natural phenomenon. You seem to be under the mistaken impression that I am an AGW cultist and are reacting to what I post on that alone, without reading or understanding.

    In fact, we are currently in a TEMPORARY interglacial warming period. So regardless of what man does, snowball earth is the more likely future.
    No, you're just using the same quackery AGW nuts use to extinguish their dissenters.

    You're just trying to say they have a valid argument while denying they do.

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    Re: North America to Drown in Oil as Mexico Ends Monopoly

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You really should learn to understand what it is you're reading. Check my post again and pretend you've understood it. It'll probably help a lot more.
    Ok, look...there's no way you're going to make the argument that more jobs and economic prosperity are bad.

    Hell, it's plausible to suggest the American oil companies that start operatating Mexico could hire some guns to handle up on the drug cartels.
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    Re: North America to Drown in Oil as Mexico Ends Monopoly

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    it does not matter if the cause solely manmade, we are contributing to their creation.
    As with everything we do, it's borrowing from Peter to pay Paul. Those ammonium nitrate fertilizers allow us to feed a mammoth human population.

    Hpwever, I can't see where openning up the oil leases in Mexico is going to have any impact on dead zones one way or the other.

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