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    Re: North America to Drown in Oil as Mexico Ends Monopoly

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Mexico's oil workers gather at the Plaza of Wailing to bemoan corruption and unpaid wages | World news | Guardian Weekly


    You simply have no idea what it is you're talking about. Mexican oil workers are at the forefront of people worried by this new development. They are also some of the most abused in the country when it comes to wages and rights. They are not paid 500% more than the average worker in Mexico. That's an assinine comment to make in a country where no mimimum wage is established. Mexico is a country where someone can make from 3 dollars an hour to 70,000 a month by being a local politician. So how did you come up with the 500% figure? You made it up or got it from some oil company website.
    The article sites those that are being stung by subcontractors. PEMEX employees are some of the highest paid blue collar workers in Mexico. If the wages are filtering down to the actual workers, blame the corrupt union down there. The proposal to allow foreign investment would go a long way to rein in this type of corruption. The salary figure was based on a rig workers recruiting website. In addition, one of the reasons they're pushing for this infusion of investment is to firm up PEMEX's pension fund which funds a PEMEX employee 100% of their salary after the age of 55. What other industry in Mexico offers a pension like that?

    I know this doesn't fit your view, but oil companies aren't making cheap plastic toys or trendy electronics. Rigs are complicated and they pay competitive wages to attract the best qualified which is who you want working your equipment valued in the 100s of millions of dollars.

    Sorry man, the bottom line is the mess that the Mexican oil industry is in is caused by two things. Nationalization and the corruption that i fueled. By opening the door on for foreign investment, it potentially can reduce the corruption as most companies won't invest in resources that are ripe with corruption...its unstable.

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    Re: North America to Drown in Oil as Mexico Ends Monopoly

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    I live near the border, this is bad news for many communities on both sides of that border.
    That's insane...

    You guys have illegals running every which way - through your yards, down the streets...

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    Re: North America to Drown in Oil as Mexico Ends Monopoly

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Notice the link isn't to "biological adaption" but "adaption". I added the biological so you might understand you were misusing the word in the context of the discussion. Thus far you have demonstrated that you don't understand my position.
    I'm not misusing adaptation - you are...

    You're attempting to claim Geo is not living...

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    Re: North America to Drown in Oil as Mexico Ends Monopoly

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    My apologies.



    It's extremely silly because the baisc truth is climate is ALWAYS changing, the planet we live on is geologically active and ALWAYS changing. It was that way before man and will be that way after. Like arguing Mexico shouldn't open it's leases to the outside because there is air.

    Climate change is a basic fact of life on this planet.
    The climate change going on now is unnatural, it is way too fast. Many species are at risk of extinction. This is the fastest extinction in history, it is not normal. We are dependent on the environment...

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    Re: North America to Drown in Oil as Mexico Ends Monopoly

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    I'm not misusing adaptation - you are...

    You're attempting to claim Geo is not living...
    the biosphere is what lives.

    you are thinking about the Lithosphere since you brought up plate tectonics.
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    Re: North America to Drown in Oil as Mexico Ends Monopoly

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    the problem is that the process of adaptation takes time on a scale of hundreds of thousands of years.
    That isn't a problem at all..... The Earth is only 4.5 billion years old....

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    Re: North America to Drown in Oil as Mexico Ends Monopoly

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    the nitroen cycle is natural, but what is not natural is the amount of nitrogen that is created by humans, mainly in the form of synthetic fertilizer. Farmers love the synthetic stuff, and use far more synthetic fertilizer than organic fertilizers such as manure and compost. all that ferilizer is chockfull of excess nitrogen, and some of this excess material eventually makes it to the ocean. that is where the trouble begins.

    all that excess nitrogen causes water to become polluted and it starts a massive growth of algae and phytoplankton, which feed on the nitrogen. this growth creates a greater demand for biochemical oxygen, a demand so great that it consumes the supply of oxygen in that region of water, which is now a dead zone.

    human activity, in this case farmers using vast amounts of artificial fertilizers on their farms, had a impact on causing a natural process, the nitrogen cycle, to go overboard and cause damage to the environment.
    Indeed, and I understand the the pros and cons of the Faber process. However, that is not the only cause of dead zones, nor where it is the cause, is it always manmade fertilizers at fault. My point is that dead zones are a natural phenomenon. Where they are strictly man caused, we should and do take efforts to lessen their impact.

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    Re: North America to Drown in Oil as Mexico Ends Monopoly

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    the biosphere is what lives.

    you are thinking about the Lithosphere since you brought up plate tectonics.
    Plate tectonics - plate tectonics are partially caused by the moon

    Why do you thin the geological record is so shotty when it comes to climate or previous climates being usless to research? Because the rocks that give a story only tell us a story about the position of that land millions of years ago - which is certainly NOT in the same position that land is at now.

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    Re: North America to Drown in Oil as Mexico Ends Monopoly

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    I'm not misusing adaptation - you are...

    You're attempting to claim Geo is not living...
    If you believe that geology is the study of living things you need more than one refresher course to get back up to speed.

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    Re: North America to Drown in Oil as Mexico Ends Monopoly

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Wait, I thought you said that this abuse already happens?
    Yes, I was saying where will the outrage be when the new investors show up and start playing the same game other corporations are playing?

    Besides, if US companies were getting busy in Mexico making investments, I'd imagine that they would want to be safe from said cartels. Like it or not, that may be an avenue for the US government to assist Mexico in its local cartel war.
    My solution would be taking a similar approach the IMF took with Chile in the 80s. As much as I despise Milton Friedman his plan actually had the unintended effect of cleaning up a lot of the corruption in Chile. My changes to the plan would be to have Mexico sign several binding political/economical agreements. The first would be one where:

    1) the Mexican political system is slimmed down. You ever seen the Mexican house chamber? There are ~400 people in it. ~150 of whom are not elected. They are picked (think of the US delegate system, only these guys get paid outrageous sums of money and are picked as favors to corporations). Also, I would add that the Mexican political system would have to slim down all of their institutes. There are literally dozens of institutes for every and anything you can think of. They should be combined or completely done away with.

    2) Any money received through taxes/levy should not be directed towards state coffers (at least for the first 3 years) but programs independently set up by companies in conjunction with the government. During that 3 year transition period, companies can enforce Western work ethics as well as establish protocols for how money should be handled by the state. (Like a will almost)

    3) Create strong corruption watchdogs within the state governments observed by outside entities (the IMF and WBO seem like the right people for the job). They would be in charge of ensuring workers are paid, human rights abuses are not overlooked and HR departments are strongly represented. If any abuses are reported/overlooked Mexico would have their loan interests raised.

    This seems radical, however after 1.5 years living here, I've come to think of Mexico as a country with great potential but a terrible economic culture. The culture here doesn't foster reliance on the government, however it does foster a distrust of companies and the government working together. So it is my opinion that an outside agency is necessary. One which not only has the power to punish government corruption but also corporate abuses.
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