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    Re: Judge: NSA spying ‘almost Orwellian,’ likely unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    What case does this ruling apply to?



    This case applies to the NSA collecting telephone co metadata (Number called, number called from, time, names, and etc.) on every phone call made in the USA.

    Don't hold your breath waiting for this ruling to actually go into effect.

    This ruling will be fought all of the way to the Supreme Court and maybe farther.

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    Re: Judge: NSA spying ‘almost Orwellian,’ likely unconstitutional

    Judge: NSA spying ‘almost Orwellian,’ likely unconstitutional
    Almost?

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    Re: Judge: NSA spying ‘almost Orwellian,’ likely unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    This case applies to the NSA collecting telephone co metadata (Number called, number called from, time, names, and etc.) on every phone call made in the USA.

    Don't hold your breath waiting for this ruling to actually go into effect.

    This ruling will be fought all of the way to the Supreme Court and maybe farther.
    That doesn't help much. I was looking for something along the lines of J. Q. Public v NSA. I am interested in how one could obtain the ever elusive "standing" that seems to be required to get a case into a federal court.
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: Judge: NSA spying ‘almost Orwellian,’ likely unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    This case applies to the NSA collecting telephone co metadata (Number called, number called from, time, names, and etc.) on every phone call made in the USA.

    Don't hold your breath waiting for this ruling to actually go into effect.

    This ruling will be fought all of the way to the Supreme Court and maybe farther.
    I can't imagine anything other than this happening (which doesn't mean this ruling fails in the end) but, this ruling is still a good day. We have a judge who recognizes things for what they are.

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    Re: Judge: NSA spying ‘almost Orwellian,’ likely unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by ChunkySalsa View Post
    I have no confidence in the unaccountable plutocrats running our government. Even if it gets smacked down as totally unconstitutional (it won't) they're still gonna be putting cameras up our asses and just not tell us about it.
    lol..exactly.

    Still collecting phone logs is a grey area, not confident this really is a general warrant (prohibited), as it is more of just monitoring the numbers.

    Think of cops being able to follow anyone they want to in public. Not wiretapping, nothing intrusive, just following.

    I admire/want the 4th enforced to preserve privacy, but using a public telecom - much like being on a public street -
    do you really have expectations of privacy?
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    Re: Judge: NSA spying ‘almost Orwellian,’ likely unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    Any chance the "PATRIOT" act being removed in the future then?
    Highly unlikely since the vast majority of the law is perfectly sound constitutionally speaking; lest you're also attempting to throw out FISA and Title III of the Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Street Acts of 1968 which form the backbone of our survellience laws and to which PATRIOT largely buildgs upon and amends. The more likely scenario to happen with regards to the courts is exactly what's been occuring for the past deacde...individual provisions and sections of PATRIOT being reviewed in court and stricken .

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    Re: Judge: NSA spying ‘almost Orwellian,’ likely unconstitutional

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    Re: Judge: NSA spying ‘almost Orwellian,’ likely unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I can't imagine anything other than this happening (which doesn't mean this ruling fails in the end) but, this ruling is still a good day.
    We have a judge who recognizes things for what they are.



    Correct.

    But what real power does this judge have to enforce any ruling that he issues?

    The Obama administration has the Justice Department, the U. S. Military and other resources, the judge has his mouth.

    Looks like a pretty uneven match to me.

    I predict that this judge will accomplish nothing and the NSA will keep spying on every U.S. citizen.

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    Re: Judge: NSA spying ‘almost Orwellian,’ likely unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Correct.

    But what real power does this judge have to enforce any ruling that he issues?

    The Obama administration has the Justice Department, the U. S. Military and other resources, the judge has his mouth.

    Looks like a pretty uneven match to me.

    I predict that this judge will accomplish nothing and the NSA will keep spying on every U.S. citizen.
    Oh yeah, again I agree with you and so apparently would many other posters with regards to the NSA continuing their belligerence in spite of this judges ruling. That however does not diminish my appreciation for this judges ruling.
    Last edited by Montecresto; 12-17-13 at 03:08 PM.

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    Re: Judge: NSA spying ‘almost Orwellian,’ likely unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    Of course it is, but what's going to happen? Government loves its own powers, it's not going to restrict itself.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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