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White House ignores 'lie of the year' award

Which isn't in the Constitution at all, but why let that stop us?

Post 35 rocket. But yeah, your right, what difference does it make at this point.
 
1. The plans being cancelled were junk. They provided inadequate coverage and often also included unlimited out of pocket expenses and other slimy insurance company loopholes, often to deny coverage.
Opinion: Canceled health plan is a good thing - CNN.com

Same old warmed over debunked garbage from you. They weren't "junk", but what people wanted. Plans that fit some people's lifestyles and situations. Because they didn't fit all or you in particular you in call them junk. It's an excuse to cover the fact that people lost coverage under Obamacare.

Facts are those pesky things which interfere with RW manufactured outrage.

Why do you ignore the facts then and continue with the same garbage. The lies are not going to repair Obamacare somehow.

2. You're over simplifying a rather complex equation. Doctor choice is always an option, however expecting your insurance company to play ball is another matter. Everyone in America not living under a rock is familiar with "in network" doctors. Nothing new here.

And when there are fewer and fewer doctors in that network and none in your area, you don't see that as a problem? Of course you don't - Obama is a god! Obamacare is the best thing since buttered bread!

3. My insurance premium increase for 2014--$0. And, I am not the only one.
Debunking the Republican lie that health insurance costs have skyrocketed under Obama | Eclectablog

You're either lying, unaware of the increases or yes, you are the only one. But then maybe you didn't have insurance for your rates to increase in the first place. Oh nevermind, I see what you did, how do you know your rates won't climb in 2014? Got that crystal ball handy?

So, your claim is just more RW manufactured outrage.

The outrage over Obamacare is coming from the left and the right and is hardly manufactured.
 
The evidence of that is usually made clear. The RW frothers just rant. Rare is one who actually provides a link with indisputable facts.

I'm fairly centrist, in that I "just want the trains to run ontime"; without any real ideology> I even voted for Obam in '08.
Being vehemently anti- this Global War on Terror, and with Obama's foreign policy an absolute disaster -i didn't in 2012.

What gets me now is the ready made excuses - Congress won't cooperate -well duh...how about at least TRYING to forge a consensus?

I cannnot abide a president who complains the 'ABC agencys" are too unwieldly to use, yet doresn't mind signing statements,
and using the REGULATORY agancies to pass what is a fairly leftist agenda.

I saw you comment about "hope and change", and agree truely one had to be braindead to vote on sloganeering.

The economy is showing some signs of getting out of the doldrums, but we'll have to see.

Meanwhile ( since you mentioned Bill Clinton), just stop the constant kvetching about how HARD it is to be POTUS. :doh
He's the single most powerful person in the world - act like it, and stop the blame game.

Why can't Obama run the government as smoothly as his campaign? - Los Angeles Times



What with the IRS targeting of tea party groups; the poor security at the U.S. mission in Benghazi, Libya; the eavesdropping on close allies; and the botched rollout of the landmark healthcare law, Obama increasingly seems to be battling top-level management failures as much as policy or political problems.

On each of these controversies, Obama has claimed ignorance before the fact and outrage afterward, leaving even some Democrats to see him as asleep at the wheel.

"There's a sort of distance in his style," said Elaine C. Kamarck, who led the Clinton administration's government reform effort and now is at the nonpartisan Brookings Institution. "On the one hand, he's not getting into terrible details like [President] Carter did. But on the other hand, it comes back to bite him because he seems to not know a lot of stuff that's going on
 
No, this one is not manufactured.
 
I'm fairly centrist, in that I "just want the trains to run ontime"; without any real ideology> I even voted for Obam in '08.
Being vehemently anti- this Global War on Terror, and with Obama's foreign policy an absolute disaster -i didn't in 2012.

What gets me now is the ready made excuses - Congress won't cooperate -well duh...how about at least TRYING to forge a consensus?

I cannnot abide a president who complains the 'ABC agencys" are too unwieldly to use, yet doresn't mind signing statements,
and using the REGULATORY agancies to pass what is a fairly leftist agenda.

I saw you comment about "hope and change", and agree truely one had to be braindead to vote on sloganeering.

The economy is showing some signs of getting out of the doldrums, but we'll have to see.

Meanwhile ( since you mentioned Bill Clinton), just stop the constant kvetching about how HARD it is to be POTUS. :doh
He's the single most powerful person in the world - act like it, and stop the blame game.

Why can't Obama run the government as smoothly as his campaign? - Los Angeles Times

If it wasn't for W, O would be the worst manager we've had in the WH since Franklin Pierce.
 
No, this one is not manufactured.

yes it is.

There's plenty to complain about with Obama. Sadly, the Right seems to miss each and every one of them though.
 
Same old warmed over debunked garbage from you. They weren't "junk", but what people wanted. Plans that fit some people's lifestyles and situations. Because they didn't fit all or you in particular you in call them junk. It's an excuse to cover the fact that people lost coverage under Obamacare.
No. They were junk.
Most people did not know it until A.) THey needed the coverage to find out they didn;t have it. B.) THey ended up paying tens of thousands of dollars in co-pays they never anticipated being on the hook for.

Why do you ignore the facts then and continue with the same garbage. The lies are not going to repair Obamacare somehow.
Obama is not running for re-elect. So, repairing Obama is not on the agenda. However, calling out RW poutrage is a requirement for responsible citizenship.



And when there are fewer and fewer doctors in that network and none in your area, you don't see that as a problem? Of course you don't - Obama is a god! Obamacare is the best thing since buttered bread!
Is this real or imagined? Show me where people are suddenly finding themselves with no doctors in their network.



You're either lying, unaware of the increases or yes, you are the only one. But then maybe you didn't have insurance for your rates to increase in the first place. Oh nevermind, I see what you did, how do you know your rates won't climb in 2014? Got that crystal ball handy?
We had our insurance meeting on the 6th of Dec. No increase in premiums and no decrease in coverage for 2014.



The outrage over Obamacare is coming from the left and the right and is hardly manufactured.
Obamacare sucks. Too bad you and the Right are incapable of pinpointing the real reasons why. :roll:

You may want to read this
http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/16/opinion/frum-obamacare-flaws/
 
While I consider it irresponsibly glib soft-soaping to sell the program to Americans, I dont think it was a lie.

However if it was, it would be more like the lie of the decade, ranked right up there with, "Read my lips, no more taxes."
 
Well, looky here...Could the press be waking up and starting to do its job? Or was this lie just too big to ignore?

why would they acknowledge it? Politically there is absolutely no benefit
 
yes it is.

There's plenty to complain about with Obama. Sadly, the Right seems to miss each and every one of them though.

Wow, you believe that. Oh no!
 
Well, looky here...Could the press be waking up and starting to do its job? Or was this lie just too big to ignore?

Just try to remember to hold republican accountable when they are feature as a "pants on fire" nominee. Whenever politfact calls out republicans for there lies, you guys always cries "liberal bias".

At least we know in your world liberal bias means anything that is said negative about republicans.
 
Just try to remember to hold republican accountable when they are feature as a "pants on fire" nominee. Whenever politfact calls out republicans for there lies, you guys always cries "liberal bias".

At least we know in your world liberal bias means anything that is said negative about republicans.

Partisans on both sides ALWAYS do this. That's why we're in the mess we're in.
 
Which isn't in the Constitution at all, but why let that stop us?

A majority of 18-to-24-year-olds now say they would recall Obama as president if they could. It is finally happening; young people who overwhelmingly supported Obama are now turning away from him in droves. The hope and change he promised never materialized, instead replaced with deteriorating conditions. :)
 
No. They were junk.
Most people did not know it until A.) THey needed the coverage to find out they didn;t have it. B.) THey ended up paying tens of thousands of dollars in co-pays they never anticipated being on the hook for.

You know this how? And since all those plans were authorized by the individual state commissioners, why weren't you after the state to cancel those years ago?

Obama is not running for re-elect. So, repairing Obama is not on the agenda. However, calling out RW poutrage is a requirement for responsible citizenship.

I said "Obamacare" not "Obama". The only requirement pissing and moaning about the complaints against Obamacare achieves is the need of the left to repair the result of their fawning over this program and it's signature head.

Is this real or imagined? Show me where people are suddenly finding themselves with no doctors in their network.

Read the news. Pretty common knowledge that under Obamacare those networks as you call them are shrinking.

We had our insurance meeting on the 6th of Dec. No increase in premiums and no decrease in coverage for 2014.

The word you missed in that last sentence was "anticipated". And you sound like one of the lucky few that still has coverage supplied by your employer. Let's see how long that lasts before you get dumped to the exchanges.

Obamacare sucks. Too bad you and the Right are incapable of pinpointing the real reasons why. :roll:

You may want to read this
Opinion: The real problems with Obamacare - CNN.com

So now you say it sucks but complain that others just aren't highlighting the correct sucky parts? Hilarious.
 
Partisans on both sides ALWAYS do this. That's why we're in the mess we're in.

I agree with you there. This is why I roll my eyes every time someone mentions impeachment. If a president is impeach for lying, then every president in history should be impeached.

Lets look at a few

Bush Sr. = Read my lips no new taxes
Clinton = I did not sleep with that woman (Impeached)
Bush Jr. = Iraq has WMDs
Obama = You can keep your insurance if you like it.

Maybe people don't understand the purpose of the impeachment process.


Article II, Section 4 of the Constitution says, "The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."
 
Well, looky here...Could the press be waking up and starting to do its job? Or was this lie just too big to ignore?

It's irrelevant. Most health plans in the US sucked before Obamacare, so very few actually wanted to keep an existing health plan.

Of couse, Obamacare will also suck, but that's also irrelevant.
 
It's irrelevant. Most health plans in the US sucked before Obamacare, so very few actually wanted to keep an existing health plan.

Of couse, Obamacare will also suck, but that's also irrelevant.

If that were even remotely true Obama would never had to tell and retell the lie to begin with.
 
Yeah.....I think I mentioned some time back when Obama was in his first term. That we should have kept a thread on all of his lies. Not to mention.....he's not thru yet.


Hi MMC, What you say here is very true....Brace yourself, here is a list of the known lies from Barrack Obama....

Lies During the Fifth Year

“If you like your health insurance plan, you can keep it”
Washingtonpost.com

“The NSA is not abusing its power”
Washingtonpost.com

“I said benghazi was a terrorist attack from the beginning.”
Lubbockonline.com

“the foreign intelligence Surveillance court is transparent.”
Politifact.com

“First of all, I didn’t set a red line,” said Obama. “The world set a red line.”
Weeklystandard.com
nbcnews


Lies During Fourth Year

“The sequester is not something that I’ve proposed. It is something that Congress has proposed.”
Politifact.com

“Mitt Romney raised nursing home fees eight times.”
Politifact.com

“Mitt Romney called the Arizona law a model for the nation.”
Politifact.com

“Planned Parenthood provides mammograms”
Spero News

“We got back every dime we used to rescue the financial system”
cbsnews.com

Benghazi violence was caused by an internet video & demonstrations
State Department

“Mitt Romney Plans to fire Big Bird”
Politifact.com

“Under Gov. Romney’s definition … Donald Trump is a small business.”
politifact.com

Because of Obamacare, “over the last two years, health care premiums have gone up — it’s true — but they’ve gone up slower than any time in the last 50 years.”
politifact.com

“I think it’s important for us to understand that the Fast and Furious program was a field-initiated program begun under the previous administration”
abcnews.com

Romney and Ryan will gut pell grants for low-income college students.
Factcheck.org

My budget will cut the deficit by $4 Trillion over 10 years.
Factcheck.org

“I am told that Governor Romney’s new running mate, Paul Ryan, might be around Iowa the next few days,” he said while in Council Bluffs, Iowa. “He is one of the leaders of Congress standing in the way. So if you happen to see Congressman Ryan, tell him how important this farm bill is to Iowa and our rural communities.”
House passed bill on August 2, 2012 (Paul Ryan voted yes)

The American automobile industry has come roaring back…So now I want to say what we did with the auto industry, we can do it in manufacturing across America. Let’s make sure advanced, high-tech manufacturing jobs take root here, not in China. And that means supporting investment here. Governor Romney … invested in companies that were called ‘pioneers’ of outsourcing. I don’t want to outsource. I want to insource.
Forbes- Outsourcer-In-Chief: Obama Of General Motors
“You Didn’t Build that”

Cont.....
 
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Lies During Third Year

I will walk on that picket line with you, if workers are denied the right to bargain.
Youtube

In his 2012 State of the Union Address, President Obama said that American oil production is the highest that it’s been in eight years.
Breitbart News Network

I’ve done more for Israel’s security than any President ever
Obama aided Islamic Extremists take over of Egypt/ Libya – Weapons pour into Gaza
Virtually every Senate Republican voted against the tax cut last week
Examiner

“Every idea that we’ve put forward are ones that traditionally have been supported by Democrats and Republicans alike.”
Like Raising taxes?

Obama met highly qualified out of work teacher Robert Baroz
He wasn’t out of work and Obama never met him.

GOP Responsible for Obama Jobs Bill Not Passing
Dems Rejected Jobs Bill

You have 80 percent of the American people who support a balanced approach. Eighty percent of the American people support an approach that includes revenues and includes cuts. So the notion that somehow the American people aren’t sold is not the problem
Gallup Poll: Only 69%

These are obligations that the United States has taken on in the past. Congress has run up the credit card, and we now have an obligation to pay our bills.
Looks like it’s been incurred mostly in the years of Obama

Jobs Bill Paid for
Seems not so much Paid for

Then you’ve got their(GOP)which is dirtier air, dirtier water, less people with health insurance
Barack Obama, campaiging in Asheville, NC, 10/17/11

I cannot guarantee that those checks go out on August 3rd if we haven’t resolved this issue. Because there may simply not be the money in the coffers to do it.
American.com

USA producing more oil than ever before
Petroleum Insights

Fence between US and Mexico is “Practically Complete”
Department of Homeland Security says 5%

Rich doesn’t pay their fair share.
National Taxpayers Union

Mitt Romney would deny gay people the right to adopt children.
Cnn Interview

Lies During Second Year

Obama claimed the SCOTUS decision in Citizens United v. FEC, “open[ed] the floodgates for special interests — including foreign corporations — to spend without limit in our elections.
nationalreview.com

No signing statements to nullify or undermine congressional instructions as enacted into law
Obama Lies to Keep Czars

No “boots” on the ground Libya
Anyone that has worked with the AC-130 gunship can tell you, you need spotters to let aircraft know where the targets are. Usually it is Special Forces, Rangers etc trained for this mission. It’s CIA Agents in Libya on the ground
Reform will also rein in the abuse and excess that nearly brought down our financial system. It will finally bring transparency to the kinds of complex, risky transactions that helped trigger the financial crisis.
Obama Lies About Financial Reform Bill
All Americans WILL BE were, “surprised, disappointed and angry” about lockerbie bomber
Obama Memo

I will not rest until the BP Oil Spill stops
Obama’s Schedule

The health care bill will not increase the deficit by one dime.
Campaign and Presidency

If you like the health care plan you have you can keep it
TownHall

“Under our plan, no federal dollars will be used to fund abortions, and federal conscience laws will remain in place.”
U.S. Capitol, Washington, D.C., September 9, 2009.

ObamaCare Fee is not a new tax
Obama denies healthcare is a new tax on all Americans

We have run out of places in the US to drill for oil.
Obama’s oval office speech in June 2010

Now suddenly if you don’t have your papers and you took your kid out to get ice cream, you can be harassed, that’s something that could potentially happen.
Arizona Immigration Law

Doctors choose amputation because they get better compensation. Greedy Doctors taking out tonsils for more money.
Claims never documented

The Health Care Package will pay for itself
Time

Republicans don’t have a single idea that’s different from George Bush’s ideas — not one.
Hmm Immigration?

We shouldn’t Mandate the purchase of health care
Democratic Debate Lies

Obama says he’ll save average family $8,000 in gas
Video Proof

I am immediately instituting PayGo “Pay as you go”
Said during a speech immediately after the Trillion Dollar “Shovel Ready” bill.

I got the Message from Massachusetts
Daily Bail

Lies During First Year

We began by passing a Recovery Act that has already saved or created over 150,000 jobs.” – caught cooking the books and now changed to ‘jobs supported’ versus ‘created/saved’
AP fact Checker

Number one, we inherited a $1.3 trillion deficit. … That wasn’t me.” – Congress, under Democratic control in 2007 and 2008, controlled the purse strings that led to the deficit Obama inherited.Obama supported the emergency bailout package in Bush’s final months — a package Democratic leaders wanted to make bigger.
AP fact Checker

Collective salvation
Obama calls himself a Christian

I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.
Obama Inauguration. 20 Jan 2009

Cut Deficit in Half by end of first term
Associated Press Video

Health Care deals will be covered on C-span
Obama Lies

As President I will recognize the Armenian Genocide
ABC

Recovery Act will save or create jobs
ABC News

Unemployment rate will be 8.5% without stimulus.
Obama Lies

No Earmarks in the $787 Billion Stimulus
CNN

I happen to be a proponent of a single payer universal health care plan
Specator.Org

We have launched a housing plan that will help responsible families facing the threat of foreclosure lower their monthly payments and refinance their mortgages.
Obama Lies

I am not somebody who promotes same-sex marriage.
NPR

Guantanamo bay to be closed within a year
Council on Foreign Relations.

Won’t Raise taxes on those making less than 250,000 per year.
Businessweek: Obama Agnostic on taxes

List of Tax Promise Violations
2008 Campaign Lies

I will walk the picket line with you, if workers are denied the right to bargain
Youtube

No more wiretapping of citizens
Youtube

Mr. Ayers as “a guy who lives in my neighborhood,” but “not somebody who I exchange ideas from on a regular basis.
News Busters

I had a uncle who was one of the, who was part of the first American troops to go into Auschwitz and liberate the concentration camps
United States Holocaust Memorial Museum

Obama campaign would accept public funding
ABC

Minimum Wage will increase to $9.50/hr
A Socialist

Ann Dunham spent the months before her death in 1995 fighting with insurance companies that sought to deny her the coverage she needed to pay for treatment.
Mounting Heath Care Lies

Didn’t know Jeremiah Wright was Radical
Dreams of My Father – A radical Socialist.

Would have the most transparent administration in History
Cato Institute

We will go through our federal budget – page by page, line by line – eliminating those programs we don’t need, and insisting that those we do operate in a sensible cost-effective way.
Boston Globe

I have visited all 57 states.
Snopes

I’ll get rid of earmarks
Source: Any bill passed during presidency

Cont.....
 
Cont....

When a bill lands on my Desk, The American people will have 5 days to review it before I sign it.Campaign Speech


My father served in World War II.
The Videos and the Facts


Have troops out of Iraq by March 31, 2009
News Video


Seniors Making less than 50,000 will not have to pay taxes
YouTube


Would not vote for any bill supporting troop funding without a firm withdrawal commitment from the Bush Administration.
He has done nothing but continue the Bush admins strategy and to explain how the “surges total failure” has now become his greatest achievement.


Present Votes Are Common In Illinois
NPR


I Won Michigan
Huffington Post


I won Nevada
The Nation


I don’t Have Lobbyists
US News


My Campaign Had Nothing To Do With The 1984 Ad
Crooks and Liars


I Have Always Been Against Iraq
Washington Post


My Wife Didn’t Mean What She Said About Pride In Country
CNN


Barack was never an ACORN trainer and never worked for ACORN in any other capacity.
Obama Campaign Video


I Barely Know Rezko
Sun Times


My Church Is Like Any Other Christian Church
ABC News




List of Obama's Lies | Barack Obama Lies




Whew...That is a long ass list.....Does he ever tell the truth?
 
Didn't seem to notice this during the Bush administration.
You mean the one that lied us into a very costly and stupid war? I think all you're proving is that the media isn't liberally biased as so many claim but instead quite conservatively biased.
 
You should study the reports contained in the link below, and then get back to your sources and ask why you've been lied to all these years.

IAEA and Iraq - Global Special Weapons - Nuclear, Biological Chemical and Missile Proliferation News
Sorry but links to unverifiable opinions are of no interest to me. It is well known and accepted that Bush et al lied us into a very long and costly war. The only reason he didn't get Liar of the Year is because most media is now conservatively biased. Period.
 
You mean the one that lied us into a very costly and stupid war? I think all you're proving is that the media isn't liberally biased as so many claim but instead quite conservatively biased.

Excuse me, a number of other nation's intelligence services all concluded that Iraq had WMDs at that time. During the occupation, these WMDs were in fact found. Further, congress even voted in a bi-partisan manner to proceed with that military action. So your assertion that Bush lied has at best questionable merit.

Have you ever wondered where Syria might have gotten it's chemical weapon stock pile from? You know. The one that it used to attack it's own citizens?

This still pales in comparison of the deliberate lying of this president, this administration and the Democrats in congress about Obamacare.
 
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