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    Re: White House ignores 'lie of the year' award

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    True. But I don't think that one was essential to selling Obamacare. Americans have a rather fatalistic view of deficits at this point. The real hard sell were the three that were meant to make it sound worth the effort.
    Yeah.....I think I mentioned some time back when Obama was in his first term. That we should have kept a thread on all of his lies. Not to mention.....he's not thru yet.

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    Re: White House ignores 'lie of the year' award

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    True. But I don't think that one was essential to selling Obamacare. Americans have a rather fatalistic view of deficits at this point. The real hard sell were the three that were meant to make it sound worth the effort.
    Only the most die-hard partisans can deny this one, and we have em.

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    Re: White House ignores 'lie of the year' award

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    You guys always called him an empty suit. Now, all of a sudden he's a detail-oriented policy wonk. GMAFB. Obama spews BS like a car salesman. He's been doing it since 2008. You know, "Hope and Change".

    Hope and Change does not put Tim Geithner in charge of Treasury and Monsanto Whore Tom Vilsack in Agriculture. Why do you think the Liberals are constantly steamed at him? OWS was as much protesting Obama as it was the 1%.
    It's just going to go over their heads calamity. If your not raving at Obama with frothing at the mouth hysterics then you're not properly criticizing Obama. Nuance and reason? They don't know the meaning of the words.
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    Re: White House ignores 'lie of the year' award

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Didn't seem to notice this during the Bush administration.
    I did. Just like FOX News ran with all the nutty birther stuff on Obama, CBS ran with a fake story, with a fake document, on Bush being AWOL. Dan Rather was fired for it.
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    Re: White House ignores 'lie of the year' award

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I did. Just like FOX News ran with all the nutty birther stuff on Obama, CBS ran with a fake story, with a fake document, on Bush being AWOL. Dan Rather was fired for it.
    How many people have been fired over at Fox News?
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    Re: White House ignores 'lie of the year' award

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    As others have pointed out, there were really three big lies that were used to sell Obamacare:

    1) "If you like your plan you can keep your plan" - Lie. Made worse by the slimey attempt at blaming those who liked their plans by telling them the plans they liked were junk.

    2) "If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor" - Also a lie. This claim was made even while all the polls were showing that doctors by a large margin wouldn't be accepting ACA plans.

    3) "ACA will save the average family $2500 in premiums annually" - A double lie. On the one hand no, premiums are skyrocketing (lie 1), and when they aren't going up the out of pocket is skyrocketing (a lie of omission). ACA doesn't save the average family any money. It costs them more.

    But, also as has been pointed out already, he couldn't sell ACA on the truth that it would cost more, you could lose your doctor and those with insurance stand a serious risk of losing it.
    1. The plans being cancelled were junk. They provided inadequate coverage and often also included unlimited out of pocket expenses and other slimy insurance company loopholes, often to deny coverage.
    Opinion: Canceled health plan is a good thing - CNN.com
    ...here's what conservatives won't tell you, lest it undermine their theatrics: Many insurance plans are shutting down because they don't meet the higher bar of quality benefits required under Obamacare, and of those people who lose access to their plans, many will pay less and all will have better and more comprehensive options.

    Also, with a few exceptions, no one is really noting that this point isn't quite news. In 2010, the fact that certain insurance plans would not be grandfathered into Obamacare because of their inadequate coverage was widely covered by the press...

    The Affordable Care Act prevents some of the worst abuses of the private insurance market and makes coverage overall more inclusive and affordable. It doesn't fundamentally alter the private market equation -- and incentives to cut corners and care.
    Facts are those pesky things which interfere with RW manufactured outrage.

    2. You're over simplifying a rather complex equation. Doctor choice is always an option, however expecting your insurance company to play ball is another matter. Everyone in America not living under a rock is familiar with "in network" doctors. Nothing new here.

    3. My insurance premium increase for 2014--$0. And, I am not the only one.
    Debunking the Republican lie that health insurance costs have skyrocketed under Obama | Eclectablog
    ...while health insurance costs have continued to rise, they haven’t increased any faster than they had been before President Obama took office. In fact, once you start digging into the numbers — and if you can actually add and subtract and divide with any sort of skill at all — you begin to see that, despite the fact that the Affordable Care Act is just getting started, the rate of health insurance cost increases has actually dropped since 2009 when Barack Obama was sworn in as president.
    So, your claim is just more RW manufactured outrage.

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    Re: White House ignores 'lie of the year' award

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    How many people have been fired over at Fox News?
    Fox promotes their propagandists. Goebbels would be envious.

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    Re: White House ignores 'lie of the year' award

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    It's just going to go over their heads calamity. If your not raving at Obama with frothing at the mouth hysterics then you're not properly criticizing Obama. Nuance and reason? They don't know the meaning of the words.
    The evidence of that is usually made clear. The RW frothers just rant. Rare is one who actually provides a link with indisputable facts.

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    Re: White House ignores 'lie of the year' award

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It takes a recall election.
    Which isn't in the Constitution at all, but why let that stop us?


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    Re: White House ignores 'lie of the year' award

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Unfortunately the Media tends to do this for all presidents.
    You mean all presidents with the letter "D" next to their names...

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