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    Re: Polygamy Advocate Groups Hail Judge Ruling in Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    I would like to say that while I did not agree with DOMA, many users on this website predicted this exact situation would happen as a result. The gay community is winning victory after victory in the same sex marriage realm. However, every action has a reaction. This, I believe, is a reaction to that. This judge really has no precedent anymore to rule against polygamy. Nor does any other Federal judge really.
    Polygamy advocate groups hail judge's ruling in Utah | Fox News
    I am confused. The article you posted didn't mention DOMA once. In fact, the judge's ruling cited the First Amendment, rather than the absence of DOMA. A First Amendment argument would've trumped even DOMA. So the people who "predicted this exact situation would happen as a result" are full of ****.
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    Re: Polygamy Advocate Groups Hail Judge Ruling in Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I don't speak for Harshaw, but I believe that you'd have to agree that the initial stage in the movement towards the recognition of gay unions and marriage was fighting to get gay sexual activity off the criminal ledgers and accepted in modern society. Without removing the illegality of the act, there could be no move to codify and sanction the coupling. Likewise, removing polygamy from the criminal domain may be the first step in accepting it and then codifying and sanctioning in law polygamous marriages.
    It is still illegal to claim more than one wife, right? One marriage certificate? One tax exemption? The loophole is, they can still all live together , united under their their own, (society/government unsanctioned/unrecognized,) version of "marriage,' (aka shack-up,)

    People can "shack-up," with as many people as they want, anywhere in America, right?

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    Re: Polygamy Advocate Groups Hail Judge Ruling in Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    You make several false assumptions. Adding a number of "spouses" to tax forms is not a huge deal. Business partnership contracts have no limit on the number of, or gender of, the partners yet they handle the voluntary separation (and death) of any partner, joint ownership of assets and most other areas addressed by a marriage contract. The only adjustments required would be to deal with child custody - but that generally requires a separate hearing even with divorce (voluntary termination) in "convetional" marriage contracts. To assert that "classic" polygamy (one male with multiple females) would be the only form polygyny (multiple marriage partners of any gender) allowed or that it must also allow bigamy (being in more than one marriage contract at a time) is also a logical fallacy.
    I didn't mean to give the impression I thought it was a big deal, nor give the impression that because its such a big deal and so hard that we shouldn't change the law. I simply met that if a state were to allow for recognized polygamy they should write up some laws to govern it so that way a judge doesn't have to stretch other laws into an area they weren't designed to go.

    I didn't mean to give the impression that I think traditional polygamy, one man many women, would be the only kind of polygamy or the only kind allowed.

    Talk about making assumptions

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    Re: Polygamy Advocate Groups Hail Judge Ruling in Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    It is still illegal to claim more than one wife, right? One marriage certificate? One tax exemption? The loophole is, they can still all live together , united under their their own, (society/government unsanctioned/unrecognized,) version of "marriage,' (aka shack-up,)

    People can "shack-up," with as many people as they want, anywhere in America, right?
    From the article linked in the OP:

    U.S. District Judge Clark Waddoups said in the decision handed down Friday that a provision in Utah law forbidding cohabitation with another person violated the First Amendment right of freedom of religion.
    In other words, no, you couldn't "shack-up" with as many people you wanted in Utah under this law.
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    Re: Polygamy Advocate Groups Hail Judge Ruling in Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    It is still illegal to claim more than one wife, right? One marriage certificate? One tax exemption? The loophole is, they can still all live together , united under their their own, (society/government unsanctioned/unrecognized,) version of "marriage,' (aka shack-up,)

    People can "shack-up," with as many people as they want, anywhere in America, right?
    I simply point out "first steps". Polygamy is a long way from being one of the options on the government "wheel of benefits".
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    Re: Polygamy Advocate Groups Hail Judge Ruling in Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I simply point out "first steps". Polygamy is a long way from being one of the options on the government "wheel of benefits".
    There were no "first steps" here, because none of the legal ground gained by proponents for same-sex marriage set the stage for this decision. It was decided on First Amendment grounds.
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    Re: Polygamy Advocate Groups Hail Judge Ruling in Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    I would like to say that while I did not agree with DOMA, many users on this website predicted this exact situation would happen as a result. The gay community is winning victory after victory in the same sex marriage realm. However, every action has a reaction. This, I believe, is a reaction to that. This judge really has no precedent anymore to rule against polygamy. Nor does any other Federal judge really.
    Polygamy advocate groups hail judge's ruling in Utah | Fox News
    If adults want to live in multiple marriages, I see no harm with it.

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    Re: Polygamy Advocate Groups Hail Judge Ruling in Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    There were no "first steps" here, because none of the legal ground gained by proponents for same-sex marriage set the stage for this decision. It was decided on First Amendment grounds.
    When did I say this had anything to do with same sex marriage, other than as a roadmap for a path to legitimacy?
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    Re: Polygamy Advocate Groups Hail Judge Ruling in Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    There were no "first steps" here, because none of the legal ground gained by proponents for same-sex marriage set the stage for this decision. It was decided on First Amendment grounds.
    Correct. Funny how so many Christians hate the Fisrt Amendment whenever it protects the freedom of religion for non-Christians.

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    Re: Polygamy Advocate Groups Hail Judge Ruling in Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    When did I say this had anything to do with same sex marriage, other than as a roadmap for a path to legitimacy?
    What I don't understand is on what grounds same-sex marriage is in any way a legitimate part of this discussion, seeing as how the only legal precedent that mattered was the First Amendment.
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