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    Re: Polygamy Advocate Groups Hail Judge Ruling in Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Rather than a marriage license, we'd need to establish something like a marital corporation. The terms of the marriage -- entry into, exit from, rights and privileges -- would be clearly spelled out by the corporate bylaws. After that, a judge or other arbiter's only involvement would be findings of fact within the scope of the bylaws. The corporation would enjoy whatever rights and incur whatever responsibilities would normally come with a marriage license.

    Problem solved.

    I don't have a problem with that. People in polyamorous relationships should absolutely be drawing up contracts, powers of attorney, agreements on child custody, etc etc etc.

    The issue of course in calling it "marriage" is that things like benefits, social security survivorship, tax stuff, etc are predicated on two people. I just don't think there are enough of these relationships to make us change all the 2-person-relationship laws (though others may disagree, of course).

    But yes- if you are doing this - and many are (5% according to one article I glanced at briefly) I hope you are protecting yourself and others through such contracts and such.

    And maybe two person relationships should be governed by contracts as well! Might spell things out a heckuva lot more than they are currently!

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    Re: Polygamy Advocate Groups Hail Judge Ruling in Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    The issue of course in calling it "marriage" is that things like benefits, social security survivorship, tax stuff, etc are predicated on two people. I just don't think there are enough of these relationships to make us change all the 2-person-relationship laws (though others may disagree, of course).
    Shouldn't be all that difficult really. Define a "standard" marriage as being an entity involving 2 adults not related by blood, having an indefinite expiration date and the rights and responsibilities distributed in a default manner. Then convert all standing marriages to such an arrangement. After that allow subsequent marital entities to have their own definitions for the distribution of rights and responsibilities.

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    And maybe two person relationships should be governed by contracts as well! Might spell things out a heckuva lot more than they are currently!
    It would certainly force people to give the shape of their long-term entanglements some thought beforehand.
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    Re: Polygamy Advocate Groups Hail Judge Ruling in Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Rather than a marriage license, we'd need to establish something like a marital corporation. The terms of the marriage -- entry into, exit from, rights and privileges -- would be clearly spelled out by the corporate bylaws. After that, a judge or other arbiter's only involvement would be findings of fact within the scope of the bylaws. The corporation would enjoy whatever rights and incur whatever responsibilities would normally come with a marriage license.

    Problem solved.
    Go read Heinlein's Friday.

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Shouldn't be all that difficult really. Define a "standard" marriage as being an entity involving 2 adults not related by blood, having an indefinite expiration date and the rights and responsibilities distributed in a default manner. Then convert all standing marriages to such an arrangement. After that allow subsequent marital entities to have their own definitions for the distribution of rights and responsibilities.
    I think we'd be better off just grandfathering in the current marriages and not allowing any new ones. You can then set the current laws to expire in say 75 years.
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    Re: Polygamy Advocate Groups Hail Judge Ruling in Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    Go read Heinlein's Friday.
    ... or you could just elaborate on why you even brought it up.

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    I think we'd be better off just grandfathering in the current marriages and not allowing any new ones. You can then set the current laws to expire in say 75 years.
    I'd be alright with that if you gave parties to existing marriages the option to convert.
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    Re: Polygamy Advocate Groups Hail Judge Ruling in Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    ... or you could just elaborate on why you even brought it up.
    Because your post reads like you already had.
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    Re: Polygamy Advocate Groups Hail Judge Ruling in Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    Because your post reads like you already had.
    Why would you ... never mind. No, I haven't read it. I hadn't even heard of it. Popular culture and I have a very strange relationship.
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    Re: Polygamy Advocate Groups Hail Judge Ruling in Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Why would you ... never mind. No, I haven't read it. I hadn't even heard of it. Popular culture and I have a very strange relationship.

    "Friday" (Title of the novel and name of the main character) was a very special person in the novel, someone with - shall we say - a very stressful life. Because of her special conditions, she oft discriminated against and ostracized. She found refuge in a poly based family structure (IIRC in Australia or New Zealand?) which acted as a place of peach and refuge from the outside world. Your description of "...marital corporation. The terms of the marriage -- entry into, exit from, rights and privileges -- would be clearly spelled out by the corporate bylaws." is pretty much a blueprint for that sub-arc to the story.


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    Re: Polygamy Advocate Groups Hail Judge Ruling in Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    Your description of "...marital corporation. The terms of the marriage -- entry into, exit from, rights and privileges -- would be clearly spelled out by the corporate bylaws." is pretty much a blueprint for that sub-arc to the story.


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    O.O

    Damn. I guess Mark Twain had it right when it came to new ideas.
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    Re: Polygamy Advocate Groups Hail Judge Ruling in Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    O.O

    Damn. I guess Mark Twain had it right when it came to new ideas.

    Heilein in his early career wrote a lot of "G" rated stuff, later on he really explored some social dynamics that were definitely not "PG-13", especially once he started the Lazarus Long multi-verse. :LOL:


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    Re: Polygamy Advocate Groups Hail Judge Ruling in Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    Go read Heinlein's Friday.

    Thank you !!! I was trying to remember the name of the book I had read that had the whole contract/corporate structure thing like TacticalEvilDan proposed. Could not remember it!

    TED, it's great you came up with it without reading the book!

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