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    Re: Polygamy Advocate Groups Hail Judge Ruling in Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    I would like to say that while I did not agree with DOMA, many users on this website predicted this exact situation would happen as a result. The gay community is winning victory after victory in the same sex marriage realm. However, every action has a reaction. This, I believe, is a reaction to that. This judge really has no precedent anymore to rule against polygamy. Nor does any other Federal judge really.
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    Re: Polygamy Advocate Groups Hail Judge Ruling in Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Did you post the wrong story? Nothing you said had anything to do with the story you posted.
    Pretty sure he just read the headline.
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    Re: Polygamy Advocate Groups Hail Judge Ruling in Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Pretty sure he just read the headline.
    Oh! That is as embarrassing as that one time I posted a satire article that I thought was real. Gotta read.
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    Re: Polygamy Advocate Groups Hail Judge Ruling in Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You're putting words in my mouth.
    Maybe you should push more words out of your mouth if you want people to understand you.

    Then again I've read your posts, never mind.

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    Re: Polygamy Advocate Groups Hail Judge Ruling in Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    The only issue I have with polygamy is that the laws set up by the Federal and state governments to handle marriages don't deal with polygamy at all, for example if a man is married to two when and one wishes to divorce him how is that handled? Also tax laws which have different rules/benefits for married couples don't work with polygamy either. But if Utah were to change its laws to add text to deal with such issues, fine go ahead by all means.

    Aside from that if these people are simply getting married in their churches, ie marriages not recognized by the state, and then living together to raise a family, I got no problem whatsoever so long as the children can be taken care up which is where already existing organizations like child services comes into play.

    Only if it were one of those polygamy communities which drive out males to deal with the male/female imbalance or otherwise verges on cult like control of its members, only then would I support the law getting into their lives.
    You make several false assumptions. Adding a number of "spouses" to tax forms is not a huge deal. Business partnership contracts have no limit on the number of, or gender of, the partners yet they handle the voluntary separation (and death) of any partner, joint ownership of assets and most other areas addressed by a marriage contract. The only adjustments required would be to deal with child custody - but that generally requires a separate hearing even with divorce (voluntary termination) in "convetional" marriage contracts. To assert that "classic" polygamy (one male with multiple females) would be the only form polygyny (multiple marriage partners of any gender) allowed or that it must also allow bigamy (being in more than one marriage contract at a time) is also a logical fallacy.
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    Re: Polygamy Advocate Groups Hail Judge Ruling in Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Has nothing to do with gay marriage.
    In one sense it doesn't. In others, it very much does, because the way gay marriage is coming about -- through the courts on civil rights grounds, rather than through a legislative process -- does, whether anyone likes it or not, open the door for other arrangements. There really isn't any way it couldn't, on the legal and moral grounds argued.
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    Re: Polygamy Advocate Groups Hail Judge Ruling in Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    I would like to say that while I did not agree with DOMA, many users on this website predicted this exact situation would happen as a result. The gay community is winning victory after victory in the same sex marriage realm. However, every action has a reaction. This, I believe, is a reaction to that. This judge really has no precedent anymore to rule against polygamy. Nor does any other Federal judge really.
    Polygamy advocate groups hail judge's ruling in Utah | Fox News
    Haven't you asked various times for marriage to be left to the states? What do you think would happen with such a belief in states like Utah? Poligamy would definitely become legal if states like Utah were left with the problem of defining marriage. Hey! Creating a contract based on two consenting parties being able to join in marriage. How much room for poligamy does that leave?
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    Re: Polygamy Advocate Groups Hail Judge Ruling in Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Haven't you asked various times for marriage to be left to the states? What do you think would happen with such a belief in states like Utah? Poligamy would definitely become legal if states like Utah were left with the problem of defining marriage. Hey! Creating a contract based on two consenting parties being able to join in marriage. How much room for poligamy does that leave?
    Plenty of room. Simply take out the two, as is done for business partnership contracts.
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    Re: Polygamy Advocate Groups Hail Judge Ruling in Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    I would like to say that while I did not agree with DOMA, many users on this website predicted this exact situation would happen as a result. The gay community is winning victory after victory in the same sex marriage realm. However, every action has a reaction. This, I believe, is a reaction to that. This judge really has no precedent anymore to rule against polygamy. Nor does any other Federal judge really.
    Polygamy advocate groups hail judge's ruling in Utah | Fox News
    As I've said many times, the government should not be in the marriage business in today's society. Lots of lawyers are available to draw up lots of varied contracts to serve the needs of people in any combination of union they choose or desire.
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    Re: Polygamy Advocate Groups Hail Judge Ruling in Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    In one sense it doesn't. In others, it very much does, because the way gay marriage is coming about -- through the courts on civil rights grounds, rather than through a legislative process -- does, whether anyone likes it or not, open the door for other arrangements. There really isn't any way it couldn't, on the legal and moral grounds argued.
    So what ruling on SSM resulted in this ruling? In fact, what argument for SSM resulted in this ruling? In fact, what does this ruling have to do with marriage?
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