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    Re: Polygamy Advocate Groups Hail Judge Ruling in Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    How many threads have you seen on this topic? I haven't seen many. Obviously, by how quickly users began to post on it, it was something some people wanted to debate. I'm not trying to speak for anyone. I simply provided a thread about a topic I believed would attract users to post. Which it did. Mission accomplished in my opinion.
    Well here's your original post...

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    I would like to say that while I did not agree with DOMA, many users on this website predicted this exact situation would happen as a result. The gay community is winning victory after victory in the same sex marriage realm. However, every action has a reaction. This, I believe, is a reaction to that. This judge really has no precedent anymore to rule against polygamy. Nor does any other Federal judge really.
    Polygamy advocate groups hail judge's ruling in Utah | Fox News
    Looks like you tried to link this to something it wasn't connected to. I don't really care to say too much more. I agree with the previous poster who said you're just trying to save face.
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    Re: Polygamy Advocate Groups Hail Judge Ruling in Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    Well here's your original post...


    Looks like you tried to link this to something it wasn't connected to. I don't really care to say too much more. I agree with the previous poster who said you're just trying to save face.
    Save face? Lol. From what? Yeah, I might have botched the OP a little but it's not like I'm about to go off myself over it.
    If you don't like the topic, move along man. Obviously, a lot of people do like the topic and understood that the point of the thread was whether legal SSM may lead to legal polygamy. Whichever side you fall on doesn't matter to me. That's your opinion and you're entitled to it. If you think that debating the validity of the OP is more important than debating the topic maybe you should join the moderation staff or something.
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    Re: Polygamy Advocate Groups Hail Judge Ruling in Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Edit to this response. Tactical Dan pointed out that I wasn't clear on the OP that I hadn't heard users reference DOMA or SSM on this particular case, which I haven't. In the OP, I was referencing past debates I have had with users in reference to their belief that legal SSM would lead to legal polygamy. This article does not correlate the two. I agree. I wasn't clear that it didn't and that I was instead referencing past users debates. My bust on that.
    My opinion on this matter...

    In 2008 the California Supreme Court distinguished polygamy from the right to same-sex marriage by explaining that polygamy is "inimical to the mutually supportive and healthy family relationships promoted by the constitutional right to marry." Polygamist leaders like Warren Jeffs, who last year was convicted of multiple sexual assaults and incest-related felony counts, illustrate how polygamy is inherently conducive to power imbalances, sexual subjugation, and other abuses that do not inherently exist in the case of same-sex marriage.

    There isn't a shred of modern sociological evidence to support the claim that gay marriage is harmful to society, whereas there is a plethora of historical and contemporary evidence to illustrate the dangers associated with polygamy.
    Eliyahu Federman: Will Gay Marriage Lead to Polygamy, Incest, and Religious Meltdown?

    The only reason people bring up polygamy as an argument against same sex marriage is because they already know how bad polygamy can be. Otherwise it would make no sense to bring it up. There is no logical connection between the two.
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    Re: Polygamy Advocate Groups Hail Judge Ruling in Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Thanks for the post bro.
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    Re: Polygamy Advocate Groups Hail Judge Ruling in Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    I gotcha. I wasn't clear on WHEN I heard people say that about DOMA. I have heard that in the past, not in reference to this particular case. I understand what you're saying about this case because you're right, it doesn't reference DOMA. I was attempting, maybe in poor fashion, to stir the debate of legal SSM vs polygamy and if legal SSM would lead to legal polygamy. My bust.
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    Re: Polygamy Advocate Groups Hail Judge Ruling in Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Would right-ist posters be showing a different kind of outrage if these polygamists were not white ?
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    Re: Polygamy Advocate Groups Hail Judge Ruling in Utah

    We already hear whites beat the drums of racism for browns and blacks overpopulating..
    As if whites wouldn't be doing the same if Mormons weren't whites..
    Good to see you're still ignoring the world as it turns .
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    Re: Polygamy Advocate Groups Hail Judge Ruling in Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    We already hear whites beat the drums of racism for browns and blacks overpopulating..
    As if whites wouldn't be doing the same if Mormons weren't whites..
    Good to see you're still ignoring the world as it turns .
    Speaking of drums, this is hilarious HOJ.
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    Re: Polygamy Advocate Groups Hail Judge Ruling in Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Why do you care if some wacky people in Utah want to marry each other? How does that even remotely effect your life?

    Liberty much?
    Well because it violates the Fourteenth Amendment, the equal protection clause. In a polygamy relationship the man's multiple wives is not seen as infidelity but if one of the wives were to engage in another relationship that is considered infidelity. Most countries that permit polygamy are governed under Sharia Law.

    I do see those advocacy groups for polygamy using the same arguments as those used for Same Sex Marriage, whether it works for them is yet to be seen because in a same sex marriage there is no violation of the Fourteenth Amendment because both partners are equals.

    As far as this character Kody and his four wives, they have 18 children among them. Three of the wives are stay at home moms and one works outside the home. He filed this lawsuit because he believes his relationships are legal because he is only legally married to one wife the other three are "spiritual" marriages. Spiritual my arse.
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    Re: Polygamy Advocate Groups Hail Judge Ruling in Utah

    One man, one wife, four concubines--a grand total of 18 children--an "unofficial" polygamy family--been going on since Lincoln's decree..
    Oldest daughter mothering youngest children until Dad sells her off to another "unofficial" polygamist .
    One cannot even think of their own daughter .
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