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    Re: Polygamy Advocate Groups Hail Judge Ruling in Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    You're debating the details of DOMA when that isn't the issue.
    Actually, no, I didn't debate the details of DOMA. I just said that DOMA and this court decision have nothing whatsoever to do with each other.
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    Re: Polygamy Advocate Groups Hail Judge Ruling in Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    At no point you stated your opinion in the OP?

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    You were arguing that DOMA being struck down directly led to this judge's ruling.
    By my opinion, I meant my opinion of polygamy.
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    Re: Polygamy Advocate Groups Hail Judge Ruling in Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    This is what people believe.
    I believe you thought the article was evidence that DOMA somehow influenced a judge to rule in favor of polygamy. I believe that once it became clear that the judge's 1st amendment ruling had nothing to do with DOMA you tried to save face by concocting this ruse that the story had nothing to do with the thread even though the title of the thread is "Polygamy Advocate Groups Hail Judge Ruling in Utah." I believe that the best argument YOU can come up with against polygamy is "well the gays are not allowed to marry." I believe in the future you should read things before you post them and make sure they actually say what you think they say before you try to "stir debate."

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    Re: Polygamy Advocate Groups Hail Judge Ruling in Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Actually, no, I didn't debate the details of DOMA. I just said that DOMA and this court decision have nothing whatsoever to do with each other.
    But some believe that it does man. That's the debate. Get it now? Some think that repealing DOMA will lead to legal polygamy. Some don't. Obviously, you believe the latter. Nothing wrong with that. I never said there was anything wrong with that. That's your opinion and you're entitled to it.
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    Re: Polygamy Advocate Groups Hail Judge Ruling in Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    But some believe that it does man. That's the debate. Get it now? Some think that repealing DOMA will lead to legal polygamy. Some don't. Obviously, you believe the latter. Nothing wrong with that. I never said there was anything wrong with that. That's your opinion and you're entitled to it.
    Belief doesn't really matter when the facts pretty clearly spelled out what happened. The judge cited the First Amendment and made no reference whatsoever to DOMA. Even if DOMA had still been on the books, the fact that the judge cited the First Amendment meant he would've done so even in the face of DOMA since the Constitution trumps Federal law. Anybody who said it was because DOMA was tossed didn't read the decision.

    That's not my opinion -- that's what happened.
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    Re: Polygamy Advocate Groups Hail Judge Ruling in Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    But some believe that it does man. That's the debate. Get it now? Some think that repealing DOMA will lead to legal polygamy. Some don't. Obviously, you believe the latter. Nothing wrong with that. I never said there was anything wrong with that. That's your opinion and you're entitled to it.
    Maybe instead of trying to speak for the mysterious "some people", you should let them speak for themselves? This is a public forum and nothing is stopping them from sharing their own thoughts: instead we just have you divining what other people "may" think. It rings quite hallow.
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    Re: Polygamy Advocate Groups Hail Judge Ruling in Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I believe you thought the article was evidence that DOMA somehow influenced a judge to rule in favor of polygamy. I believe that once it became clear that the judge's 1st amendment ruling had nothing to do with DOMA you tried to save face by concocting this ruse that the story had nothing to do with the thread even though the title of the thread is "Polygamy Advocate Groups Hail Judge Ruling in Utah." I believe that the best argument YOU can come up with against polygamy is "well the gays are not allowed to marry." I believe in the future you should read things before you post them and make sure they actually say what you think they say before you try to "stir debate."

    That is just what I believe. Good night.
    Edit to this response. Tactical Dan pointed out that I wasn't clear on the OP that I hadn't heard users reference DOMA or SSM on this particular case, which I haven't. In the OP, I was referencing past debates I have had with users in reference to their belief that legal SSM would lead to legal polygamy. This article does not correlate the two. I agree. I wasn't clear that it didn't and that I was instead referencing past users debates. My bust on that.
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    Re: Polygamy Advocate Groups Hail Judge Ruling in Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    Maybe instead of trying to speak for the mysterious "some people", you should let them speak for themselves? This is a public forum and nothing is stopping them from sharing their own thoughts: instead we just have you divining what other people "may" think. It rings quite hallow.
    How many threads have you seen on this topic? I haven't seen many. Obviously, by how quickly users began to post on it, it was something some people wanted to debate. I'm not trying to speak for anyone. I simply provided a thread about a topic I believed would attract users to post. Which it did. Mission accomplished in my opinion.
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    Re: Polygamy Advocate Groups Hail Judge Ruling in Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Belief doesn't really matter when the facts pretty clearly spelled out what happened. The judge cited the First Amendment and made no reference whatsoever to DOMA. Even if DOMA had still been on the books, the fact that the judge cited the First Amendment meant he would've done so even in the face of DOMA since the Constitution trumps Federal law. Anybody who said it was because DOMA was tossed didn't read the decision.

    That's not my opinion -- that's what happened.
    I gotcha. I wasn't clear on WHEN I heard people say that about DOMA. I have heard that in the past, not in reference to this particular case. I understand what you're saying about this case because you're right, it doesn't reference DOMA. I was attempting, maybe in poor fashion, to stir the debate of legal SSM vs polygamy and if legal SSM would lead to legal polygamy. My bust.
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    Re: Polygamy Advocate Groups Hail Judge Ruling in Utah

    Would right-ist posters be showing a different kind of outrage if these polygamists were not white ?
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