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    Re: Polygamy Advocate Groups Hail Judge Ruling in Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    If marriage is no longer between a man and a woman but can now include same sexes and according to this article a man can have more than one wife. Soon it will be changed that a woman can have more than one husband. So since there are no absolutes anymore, a woman and her cat, a man and his horse....what's stopping it? Heck today some people love and put more value on their animals than another human being. There is already a push to loosen incest laws. Marriage is on its way to being anything you want it to be IMO.
    That's the way I see it too. I don't know the unintended consequences of any of this but I get the feeling it will be expensive in any number of ways, particularly in a gradually evolving nanny state.

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    Re: Polygamy Advocate Groups Hail Judge Ruling in Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    That's the way I see it too. I don't know the unintended consequences of any of this but I get the feeling it will be expensive in any number of ways, particularly in a gradually evolving nanny state.
    It's like the two of you are purposefully ignoring the fact that the judge in this case specifically skirted actually addressing the portion of the law that dealt with actual marriage.
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    Re: Polygamy Advocate Groups Hail Judge Ruling in Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfsgirl View Post
    Then please explain the point, because the issue from the OP was not about marriage at all. The case is about cohabitation, the marriage laws were upheld. The only thing that changed was the cohabitation law. Anyone can say they are married, but the government only recognizes legal marriage, not people saying they are married. Many people live together and are not legally married, that is not against the law. Now that is not against the law in Utah either.
    Ever since Lee Marvin's 'Palimony' case the line between traditional marriage and cohabitation has become more blurred, and the government did become involved. Now men are concerned about any relationship because of Palimony, retroactive alimony, or anything of that nature. Sex is freely available everywhere so it raises the question among a lot of young men as to why they should get married at all, given the financial risks marriage it often entails.

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    Re: Polygamy Advocate Groups Hail Judge Ruling in Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    It's like the two of you are purposefully ignoring the fact that the judge in this case specifically skirted actually addressing the portion of the law that dealt with actual marriage.
    This is idea is not confined to this particular judge or case but the changing mores involved in this decision. I agree that people should live their lives with as much freedom as possible but am also curious as to where it all might lead. I find that more interesting.

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    Re: Polygamy Advocate Groups Hail Judge Ruling in Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Um. According to what article?
    The article that started this thread.

    U.S. District Judge Clark Waddoups said in the decision handed down Friday that a provision in Utah law forbidding cohabitation with another person violated the First Amendment right of freedom of religion.
    No longer will you be arrested for practicing polygamy. Polygamy is clearly on the same path that homosexual relations once were. First they dropped the sodomy laws. Then came the legalization of same sex marriages. Currently incest laws are being challenged in some states. What happens when/if they drop them too? How many people realize in France even though it is frowned upon it has been legal for brothers and sisters of the same parent to marry since Napoleon. Lots of countries all over the world are dropping incest laws. Some countries allow marriage others do not allow marriage like Japan but do not find it a crime to engage in incest with consenting adults.
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    Re: Polygamy Advocate Groups Hail Judge Ruling in Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post

    What's stopping it is informed consent.
    The horse can tap its hoof once for yes and twice for no.

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    Re: Polygamy Advocate Groups Hail Judge Ruling in Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper;106267051 U.S. District Judge Clark Waddoups said in the decision handed down Friday that a provision in Utah law forbidding cohabitation with another person violated the First Amendment right of freedom of religion.
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    No longer will you be arrested for practicing polygamy. Polygamy is clearly on the same path that homosexual relations once were. First they dropped the sodomy laws. Then came the legalization of same sex marriages. Currently incest laws are being challenged in some states. What happens when/if they drop them too? How many people realize in France even though it is frown upon it has been legal for brothers and sisters of the same parent to marry since Napoleon. Lots of countries all over the world are dropping incest laws. Some countries allow marriage others do not allow marriage like Japan but do not find it a crime to engage in incest with consenting adults.
    The law s also being challenged with regard to adults having sex with children though I can't recall the acronym.

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    Re: Polygamy Advocate Groups Hail Judge Ruling in Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The horse can tap its hoof once for yes and twice for no.
    I always thought there was something up with Wilbur and Ed.

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    Re: Polygamy Advocate Groups Hail Judge Ruling in Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The laws also being challenged with regard to adults having sex with children though I can't recall the acronym.
    And guess where those challenges are going to go? Nowhere. Because children can't consent.
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    Re: Polygamy Advocate Groups Hail Judge Ruling in Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Ever since Lee Marvin's 'Palimony' case the line between traditional marriage and cohabitation has become more blurred, and the government did become involved. Now men are concerned about any relationship because of Palimony, retroactive alimony, or anything of that nature. Sex is freely available everywhere so it raises the question among a lot of young men as to why they should get married at all, given the financial risks marriage it often entails.
    This case was about people who want to live together, they want to be legally married, but that is not possible. This case was about them wanting to legally live together, which was not allowed under Utah law.
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