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    Re: Polygamy Advocate Groups Hail Judge Ruling in Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    I don't believe polygamy is recognized if a woman decides to take on more than one husband at a time. That will surely have to change for that would be a clear cut case of sex discrimination.
    You may be confusing polygamy with polyamory. If group marriages are ever legalized in this country, they would, of course, have to include all combos of men, women, and those who identify as adrogynous.

    As I said before, I have no problems with consenting adults (I'd prefer at least of age 25) being in polyamorous situations, assuming they are mature enough to protect themselves with power of attorney, child custody agreements, etc...BUT - it's a lot harder to change our laws to include multiple partner marriages than it is to change the marriage definition from "man and woman" to "two people", which is why I personally have no desire to pursue that battle.

    What happens to work health benefits? to social security benefits? pensions? etc.

    I personally have no desire to fight the battle to get polyamorous relationships recognized; I think there are too few of them to worry about it; but if others want to I cheer them on.

    BUT BUT BUT - any kind of relationship that involves marrying young girls to old men, driving off young men, not educating girls/women, having the "extra" spouses and children get welfare - THAT I am totally opposed to. (yes, people fall on hard times and need welfare; but if you are marrying multiple people and promising to support them - you should be able to do so). How we balance it all out legally will be very tough. But as I said before (apologize for repetition) maybe if we bring this relationships into the sun, at least we can be sure kids are educated appropriately as to their options.

    I think it's the Mennonites (I could be wrong) who send their young adults out into the non-Mennonite world for a period of time, so they can see which world they prefer. I wish the fracking fundamentalist polygamists would do the same.

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    Re: Polygamy Advocate Groups Hail Judge Ruling in Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    You mean the voters, right?
    I was thinking more of Caligula where anything seemed to be accepted, though much of it may be myth.

    I suppose my larger point was that perhaps we shouldn't even bother with laws regarding marriage and just let everyone live with whom they want, marry whom they want and marry as often as they want. Divorce would be unnecessary as it would all be unrecorded anyway. We could just trust on the goodness and decency of people to do the right thing if there are any children conceived during any relationships.

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    Re: Polygamy Advocate Groups Hail Judge Ruling in Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    That's not the point. Anyone can declare themselves married and who's to say they're not? The cohabitation was a means to enforce a restriction on that.
    The law deals with legal marriage, not people saying they are married. I can say I'm married all day long, that means exactly 0 when it comes to being legally married.
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    Re: Polygamy Advocate Groups Hail Judge Ruling in Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Or getting access to benefits that only traditionally married couples receive. AT this point in American history the leadership may as well begin marrying their horses.
    If marriage is no longer between a man and a woman but can now include same sexes and according to this article a man can have more than one wife. Soon it will be changed that a woman can have more than one husband. So since there are no absolutes anymore, a woman and her cat, a man and his horse....what's stopping it? Heck today some people love and put more value on their animals than another human being. There is already a push to loosen incest laws. Marriage is on its way to being anything you want it to be IMO.

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    Re: Polygamy Advocate Groups Hail Judge Ruling in Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I was thinking more of Caligula where anything seemed to be accepted, though much of it may be myth.

    I suppose my larger point was that perhaps we shouldn't even bother with laws regarding marriage and just let everyone live with whom they want, marry whom they want and marry as often as they want. Divorce would be unnecessary as it would all be unrecorded anyway. We could just trust on the goodness and decency of people to do the right thing if there are any children conceived during any relationships.
    See, that's the other extreme. The best way is usually somewhere in the middle.
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    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Polygamy Advocate Groups Hail Judge Ruling in Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfsgirl View Post
    The law deals with legal marriage, not people saying they are married. I can say I'm married all day long, that means exactly 0 when it comes to being legally married.
    You've missed the point.
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    Re: Polygamy Advocate Groups Hail Judge Ruling in Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    If marriage is no longer between a man and a woman but can now include same sexes and according to this article a man can have more than one wife. Soon it will be changed that a woman can have more than one husband. So since there are no absolutes anymore, a woman and her cat, a man and his horse....what's stopping it? Heck today some people love and put more value on their animals than another human being. There is already a push to loosen incest laws. Marriage is on its way to being anything you want it to be IMO.
    Um. According to what article?
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    Re: Polygamy Advocate Groups Hail Judge Ruling in Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    You've missed the point.
    Then please explain the point, because the issue from the OP was not about marriage at all. The case is about cohabitation, the marriage laws were upheld. The only thing that changed was the cohabitation law. Anyone can say they are married, but the government only recognizes legal marriage, not people saying they are married. Many people live together and are not legally married, that is not against the law. Now that is not against the law in Utah either.
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    Re: Polygamy Advocate Groups Hail Judge Ruling in Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    You may be confusing polygamy with polyamory. If group marriages are ever legalized in this country, they would, of course, have to include all combos of men, women, and those who identify as adrogynous.

    As I said before, I have no problems with consenting adults (I'd prefer at least of age 25) being in polyamorous situations, assuming they are mature enough to protect themselves with power of attorney, child custody agreements, etc...BUT - it's a lot harder to change our laws to include multiple partner marriages than it is to change the marriage definition from "man and woman" to "two people", which is why I personally have no desire to pursue that battle.

    What happens to work health benefits? to social security benefits? pensions? etc.

    I personally have no desire to fight the battle to get polyamorous relationships recognized; I think there are too few of them to worry about it; but if others want to I cheer them on.

    BUT BUT BUT - any kind of relationship that involves marrying young girls to old men, driving off young men, not educating girls/women, having the "extra" spouses and children get welfare - THAT I am totally opposed to. (yes, people fall on hard times and need welfare; but if you are marrying multiple people and promising to support them - you should be able to do so). How we balance it all out legally will be very tough. But as I said before (apologize for repetition) maybe if we bring this relationships into the sun, at least we can be sure kids are educated appropriately as to their options.

    I think it's the Mennonites (I could be wrong) who send their young adults out into the non-Mennonite world for a period of time, so they can see which world they prefer. I wish the fracking fundamentalist polygamists would do the same.
    I don't know about Mennonites but I do believe it is the practice of the Amish, they are a sub-group of the Mennonites.

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    Re: Polygamy Advocate Groups Hail Judge Ruling in Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    If marriage is no longer between a man and a woman but can now include same sexes and according to this article a man can have more than one wife. Soon it will be changed that a woman can have more than one husband. So since there are no absolutes anymore, a woman and her cat, a man and his horse....what's stopping it? Heck today some people love and put more value on their animals than another human being. There is already a push to loosen incest laws. Marriage is on its way to being anything you want it to be IMO.
    Now THAT'S the slippery slope argument.

    What's stopping it is informed consent.
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