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China lands Jade Rabbit robot rover on Moon

Meh, there hasn't been any real breakthrough in wireless energy transmission that would make that project practical.

Your talking about Solar power ( DC ) being converted to a usuable power ( AC ) via massive Inverter technology, and thats were it would stop, at the moon.

The moon isn't in a Geo-Synchronous Orbit either, so your'e talking about bouncing a wireless beam of energy around and then down to a reciever that then stores that energy.

Its a waste of time.

Solar has already been exposed as a scam for the most part.

WHAT!!!! Somebody actually said solar powered electric is a scam. What's up? Is all your retirement money in oil stock. I mean there can't be any other reason someone would post such a statement, well I mean I know there is but..........
 
Big news about 40 or 50 years ago.

Except that it was dropped like a hot potato. If the US walked on the moon 44 years ago with less computer power than you have in your cell phone, then we should have colonies living there by now. Lets see where China goes with this before we start laughing. Perhaps we're the ones that will be laughed at in time!
 
First images from the Jade Rabbit have been posted on the Internet.

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Uh, I think you're wrong. Here's an excerpt from the article....



Source: Shimizu's Luna Ring to beam solar energy from the Moon


Even NASA proposed this as far back as 1989....

Source: Energy


Mornin' Grip. :2wave: What I also find interesting is that the Chinese are putting up a GPS type satellite and they are encasing ours......While extending their reach away.

Myself, I think we should get something built on the moon before anyone else does. Some sort of Lunar base. Eventually we will lose the space station. Plus the Chinese want to put their own Space Lab in orbit.

The Chinese aren't looking with any narrow vision.....nor should we.
 
Mornin' Grip. :2wave: What I also find interesting is that the Chinese are putting up a GPS type satellite and they are encasing ours......While extending their reach away.

Myself, I think we should get something built on the moon before anyone else does. Some sort of Lunar base. Eventually we will lose the space station. Plus the Chinese want to put their own Space Lab in orbit.

The Chinese aren't looking with any narrow vision.....nor should we.

The US has been looking at upgrading the GPS satellite system for a while now.
 
So while they're looking at it, China's doing it, no big deal.
 
The sad part is that a lot of people don't have a sense of humor.

Nah, it's just not funny. I'm not Chinese or anything, so I'm not insulted; it's just so lame and dumb. I guess I am kinda insulted as someone that tells jokes, though, because that's just lazy.
 
The US has been looking at upgrading the GPS satellite system for a while now.

Yeah well we best get into the game.....as trying to guess what the Chinese are doing isn't working out to swell with Obama's Team.


A set of three mysterious satellites has experts guessing about the Chinese space program's intentions. No one really knows what the Chinese are up to, and everything is speculation.

Under debate are the orbital antics of several newcomers to space — the Chinese satellites Shiyan-7, Chuangxin-3 and Shijian-15 — which all launched into orbit together on July 20. Experts are also discussing the actions of China's elder spacecraft Shijian-7, which launched more than eight years ago.

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One of the trio of new Chinese satellites, Shiyan-7 (SY-7, Experiment 7), has since made a sudden maneuver. That satellite had already finished a series of orbital alterations that put it close to one of the companion satellites with which it was launched, the Chuangxin-3 (CX-3).

"Suddenly, however, it made a surprise rendezvous with a completely different satellite, Shijian 7 (SJ-7, Practice 7), launched in 2005," noted Marcia Smith, a space policy analyst and founder and editor of SpacePolicyOnline.com.

Soon after the July launch, it was known that one of the three satellites carried "a prototype manipulator arm to capture other satellites," a tool that might be "a predecessor of an arm destined to be aboard China's large space station, set for launch in 2020 or soon thereafter," wrote Bob Christy on zarya.info

The mystery surrounding the recent launches fits the Chinese pattern, said Dean Cheng, a research fellow on Chinese political and security affairs at the Heritage Foundation in Washington, D.C.

"Not sure why these are a surprise, other than that the Chinese don't tell us what they're going to do, so anything they do comes without a convenient press briefing," he said

"But it is perhaps useful here to recall that the People's Republic of China remains intent upon establishing space dominance as part of their thinking about 'fighting and winning local wars under informationized conditions,'" Cheng said. And, even as the Chinese call for greater military-to-military contact with the United States, it's true "that they remain opaque, and that they pretty much refuse to engage the U.S. on military space issues.".....snip~

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Mysterious Actions of Chinese Satellites Have Experts Guessing

http://www.debatepolitics.com/asia/...chinese-satellites-have-experts-guessing.html
 
They're just a paper tiger, back to sleep now.
 
They're just a paper tiger, back to sleep now.

Mornin' Monte. :2wave: Thought that might put things into perspective.....and how that doesn't look to good in my eyes.

But both China and the United States are experimenting with close-proximity maneuvers in space, said Michael Krepon, co-founder of the Washington, D.C.-based Stimson Center and director of its South Asia and Space Security programs. Both nations have demonstrated ASAT capabilities, Krepon told SPACE.com.

Information derived from actual or purported tests for ballistic missile defense, he said, can also be applied for ASAT purposes.

"Beijing and Washington have a choice to make, the same choice that Moscow and Washington faced during the Cold War," Krepon said.

"Major powers can ramp up a competition to damage satellites, or they can arrive at tacit agreements to dampen this competition," he said. "The United States and the Soviet Union chose wisely. China has yet to choose.".....snip~
 
Mornin' Monte. :2wave: Thought that might put things into perspective.....and how that doesn't look to good in my eyes.

But both China and the United States are experimenting with close-proximity maneuvers in space, said Michael Krepon, co-founder of the Washington, D.C.-based Stimson Center and director of its South Asia and Space Security programs. Both nations have demonstrated ASAT capabilities, Krepon told SPACE.com.

Information derived from actual or purported tests for ballistic missile defense, he said, can also be applied for ASAT purposes.

"Beijing and Washington have a choice to make, the same choice that Moscow and Washington faced during the Cold War," Krepon said.

"Major powers can ramp up a competition to damage satellites, or they can arrive at tacit agreements to dampen this competition," he said. "The United States and the Soviet Union chose wisely. China has yet to choose.".....snip~

Good morning MMC. Yeah bud, I knew what you were doing and I appreciate it. I was just being sarcastic, I guess because mama brought me bitter coffee this morning. :)
 
Good morning MMC. Yeah bud, I knew what you were doing and I appreciate it. I was just being sarcastic, I guess because mama brought me bitter coffee this morning. :)

Truthfully NASA does have plans to put someone back on the moon......so we do need to figure out what we can do there. I am sure we can get drones to drill......so even if we had to put a structure under ground.

The only thing I don't like is the US having to share information and that we agreed to not build anything military and take advantage of the situation.

Tell you one thing......I would rather stop all the money to the ME and put it all here until we are ahead of others. That issue with the Satellites will need to be dealt with one way or another.
 
Truthfully NASA does have plans to put someone back on the moon......so we do need to figure out what we can do there. I am sure we can get drones to drill......so even if we had to put a structure under ground.

The only thing I don't like is the US having to share information and that we agreed to not build anything military and take advantage of the situation.

Tell you one thing......I would rather stop all the money to the ME and put it all here until we are ahead of others. That issue with the Satellites will need to be dealt with one way or another.

Hey MMC, did NASA tell the President of their plans?

Where are they going to get the money to do this?
 
Hey MMC, did NASA tell the President of their plans?

Where are they going to get the money to do this?

Mornin Mason. :2wave: As I hear it they are looking for private investors as well as cooperative ventures with others.


Nasa to build permanent moon base

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Nasa has announced plans to build a permanent base on the moon by 2024 - raising the prospect of a manned space flight to Mars.

The ambitious proposals signal the next phase of space exploration after the agency's space shuttles are retired in 2010 and marks a radical departure from previous short trips to the moon.

The international base will be permanently staffed by 2024, four years after astronauts land on the moon to begin assembly.

Once complete, astronauts from the US and other nations will spend up to six months on the base at any one time.

Nasa said the two key reasons for establishing a base were to prepare for a manned mission to Mars - and ultimately the expansion of human civilisation to other planets. The project is likely to cost hundreds of billions of dollars and involve Nasa partners in Europe, Russia and Japan, although China's participation is unlikely.

"This is not a flag-and-footprints. This is the idea of starting an outward movement that includes long stays on the moon," said John Logsdon, the director of the Space Policy Institute at George Washington University.

The first step in establishing the base will be a new generation of lunar spaceships, which will undergo tests from 2009.

Manned flights will begin in 2014 and astronauts will land on the moon - for the first time since the Apollo mission of 1972 - in 2020.....snip~

Nasa to build permanent moon base | Science | theguardian.com

http://www.debatepolitics.com/gener...d-us-should-affect-us-electoral-system-2.html

Lets not forget Russia has already proposed of putting a colony on the moon too.
 
Uh, I think you're wrong. Here's an excerpt from
the article....



Source: Shimizu's Luna Ring to beam solar energy from the Moon


Even NASA proposed this as far back as 1989....

Source: Energy

It takes ALLOT of power to run large microwave Transmitters on the moon. So where does that power come from ?
The solar panels of course.

Its a foolish and ridiculous idea and I guarantee it will never be built.

The green energy movement is responsible for allot of waste, bad ideas and dead Bald Eagles, so I wouldn't be surprised if they managed to attempt that on a small scale with a satelite.

Around the moon ? Never.
 
Mornin Mason. :2wave: As I hear it they are looking for private investors as well as cooperative ventures with others.


Nasa to build permanent moon base

nasamoon512ready.jpg


Nasa has announced plans to build a permanent base on the moon by 2024 - raising the prospect of a manned space flight to Mars.

The ambitious proposals signal the next phase of space exploration after the agency's space shuttles are retired in 2010 and marks a radical departure from previous short trips to the moon.

The international base will be permanently staffed by 2024, four years after astronauts land on the moon to begin assembly.

Once complete, astronauts from the US and other nations will spend up to six months on the base at any one time.

Nasa said the two key reasons for establishing a base were to prepare for a manned mission to Mars - and ultimately the expansion of human civilisation to other planets. The project is likely to cost hundreds of billions of dollars and involve Nasa partners in Europe, Russia and Japan, although China's participation is unlikely.

"This is not a flag-and-footprints. This is the idea of starting an outward movement that includes long stays on the moon," said John Logsdon, the director of the Space Policy Institute at George Washington University.

The first step in establishing the base will be a new generation of lunar spaceships, which will undergo tests from 2009.

Manned flights will begin in 2014 and astronauts will land on the moon - for the first time since the Apollo mission of 1972 - in 2020.....snip~

Nasa to build permanent moon base | Science | theguardian.com

http://www.debatepolitics.com/gener...d-us-should-affect-us-electoral-system-2.html

Lets not forget Russia has already proposed of putting a colony on the moon too.

Good Morning MMC, there is nothing sadder than an important federal agency needing to look for private money because the President killed it.

Space exploration is important for the country if for nothing else to keep other rival countries from advancing ahead of us. We need to know what everybody is doing up there so there is no surprises later.

I hope when people talk about Obamas legacy killing the space program is on the top of the list.

Kennedy started the program and Obama killed it.

Kennedy would not be very happy with Obama for that.
 
Mornin Mason. :2wave: As I hear it they are looking for private investors as well as cooperative ventures with others.


Nasa to build permanent moon base

nasamoon512ready.jpg


Nasa has announced plans to build a permanent base on the moon by 2024 - raising the prospect of a manned space flight to Mars.

The ambitious proposals signal the next phase of space exploration after the agency's space shuttles are retired in 2010 and marks a radical departure from previous short trips to the moon.

The international base will be permanently staffed by 2024, four years after astronauts land on the moon to begin assembly.

Once complete, astronauts from the US and other nations will spend up to six months on the base at any one time.

Nasa said the two key reasons for establishing a base were to prepare for a manned mission to Mars - and ultimately the expansion of human civilisation to other planets. The project is likely to cost hundreds of billions of dollars and involve Nasa partners in Europe, Russia and Japan, although China's participation is unlikely.

"This is not a flag-and-footprints. This is the idea of starting an outward movement that includes long stays on the moon," said John Logsdon, the director of the Space Policy Institute at George Washington University.

The first step in establishing the base will be a new generation of lunar spaceships, which will undergo tests from 2009.

Manned flights will begin in 2014 and astronauts will land on the moon - for the first time since the Apollo mission of 1972 - in 2020.....snip~

Nasa to build permanent moon base | Science | theguardian.com

http://www.debatepolitics.com/gener...d-us-should-affect-us-electoral-system-2.html

Lets not forget Russia has already proposed of putting a colony on the moon too.

Such a plan would cost money, no doubt, but the scientific advances would overshadow any expenditure and make the project a winner.

Maybe if China does advance to the point that they could be a credible competitor in the space race, the way the Soviet Union once was, moon bases and missions to Mars will be come a reality.
 
Good Morning MMC, there is nothing sadder than an important federal agency needing to look for private money because the President killed it.

Space exploration is important for the country if for nothing else to keep other rival countries from advancing ahead of us. We need to know what everybody is doing up there so there is no surprises later.

I hope when people talk about Obamas legacy killing the space program is on the top of the list.

Kennedy started the program and Obama killed it.

Kennedy would not be very happy with Obama for that.


We should have never signed the treaty. Especially back then.


An Army Base on the Moon

What Might Have Been: Project Horizon Was an Idea Whose Time Never Came

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a lunar outpost … is of critical importance to the U.S. Army of the future.” It was March 1959, and Army Lt. Gen. Arthur G. Trudeau, the author of those words, was tasking the Army’s chief of ordnance to develop a proposal for a “manned lunar outpost” that would “protect potential United States interests on the moon.” The story behind this secret study (called “Project Horizon”) and the plan to have an Army base on the moon by 1966, is the story of a great idea whose time has never come.

The plan was to build a self-sustained moon base that would serve as an outpost for exploration of the moon, and further exploration of space. The base – which would house 10-20 personnel – would be the “first permanent manned installation on the moon” and, perhaps most importantly, would provide a platform for the Army, if required, to conduct “military operations on the moon.”

The Army insisted that there were no known technical barriers to establishing a manned lunar base and believed that Project Horizon “should be a special project having authority and priority similar to the Manhattan Project in World War II.” After all, if America had built the atomic bomb, there was no reason that it could not put a handful of soldiers on the moon. Project Horizon contemplated using the multistage Saturn II rocket, then under actual development, and intermediate orbiting space stations (then only on drawing boards) to ferry construction materials to the moon. The Army concluded that seventy-five Saturn II rocket launches could be achieved by the end of 1964 – with forty of these launches needed to put sufficient Project Horizon equipment into orbit for the lunar base’s construction.

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Known formally as the “Treaty on Principles Governing the Activities of States in the Exploration and Use of Outer Space, including the Moon and Other Celestial Bodies,” this international agreement limited the use of the moon to peaceful purposes. In short, the militarization of the moon was no longer an option – and remains an impossibility since this international treaty is still in effect.....snip~

An Army Base on the Moon | Defense Media Network
 
Such a plan would cost money, no doubt, but the scientific advances would overshadow any expenditure and make the project a winner.

Maybe if China does advance to the point that they could be a credible competitor in the space race, the way the Soviet Union once was, moon bases and missions to Mars will be come a reality.

Heya DH :2wave: .....We had a video up with and some links on the mining and water with the moon. The Video was on colonizing. ;)

http://www.debatepolitics.com/gener...d-us-should-affect-us-electoral-system-6.html
 
It takes ALLOT of power to run large microwave Transmitters on the moon. So where does that power come from ?
The solar panels of course.

Its a foolish and ridiculous idea and I guarantee it will never be built.

The green energy movement is responsible for allot of waste, bad ideas and dead Bald Eagles, so I wouldn't be surprised if they managed to attempt that on a small scale with a satelite.

Around the moon ? Never.

Yeah, the EPA is all wrong and China has the right idea with their pollution. ;)
 
Stolen technology or not.

Yeah, corporate and technological espionage is a bitch, but it doesn't change the fact that if you have the infrastructure to implement that stolen technology, you're still a major player. You could give me all the technology that Nasa has, I'm still not going to be able to launch a satellite into interstellar space.
 
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