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    U.S. judge orders landmark California cross taken down

    LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - A massive cross that serves as part of a war memorial on a San Diego hilltop must be dismantled because it has been found to violate a constitutional ban on government endorsement of religion, a federal judge grudgingly ruled on Thursday.
    The only question I have is whether the land the cross is on is owned by the government or a private individual. It does not say in the article. If owned by the government, I can see the decision.... maybe. Was this really an endorsement of religion, or is it similar to a tombstone, which would be a memorial, as opposed to a religious symbol. Of course if the land is owned by a private individual, then what is erected up there is none of the government's damn business.

    Your thoughts on this?

    EDIT: My bad. The land IS owned by the government, so the first question remains. Is the cross there really an endorsement of a religion or not? I believe it's not, and therefore disagree with the decision.

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    Re: U.S. judge orders landmark California cross taken down

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    The only question I have is whether the land the cross is on is owned by the government or a private individual. It does not say in the article. If owned by the government, I can see the decision.... maybe. Was this really an endorsement of religion, or is it similar to a tombstone, which would be a memorial, as opposed to a religious symbol. Of course if the land is owned by a private individual, then what is erected up there is none of the government's damn business.

    Your thoughts on this?

    EDIT: My bad. The land IS owned by the government, so the first question remains. Is the cross there really an endorsement of a religion or not? I believe it's not, and therefore disagree with the decision.

    NOTE: I need to learn to read my own damn links. LOL.
    I personally believe that if there is a cross and someone wants another religious icon put up it would have to be allowed. I also feel no government money should be spent on the putting it up or the up keep.

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    The vestiges of as once Great Nation are being dismantled one by one before our very eyes.
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    Re: U.S. judge orders landmark California cross taken down

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    The only question I have is whether the land the cross is on is owned by the government or a private individual. It does not say in the article. If owned by the government, I can see the decision.... maybe. Was this really an endorsement of religion, or is it similar to a tombstone, which would be a memorial, as opposed to a religious symbol. Of course if the land is owned by a private individual, then what is erected up there is none of the government's damn business.

    Your thoughts on this?

    EDIT: My bad. The land IS owned by the government, so the first question remains. Is the cross there really an endorsement of a religion or not? I believe it's not, and therefore disagree with the decision.

    NOTE: I need to learn to read my own damn links. LOL.

    I have been hearing about this case for years. Basically some piece of **** die hard atheists are doing any everything they can to remove this cross,even going as far as blocking the sale of the land that the cross sits on so that the cross can remain.
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    Re: U.S. judge orders landmark California cross taken down

    As a die-hard atheist, I believe the cross should go. The cross does an injustice to all atheists and to peoples of other religions who died in the American wars that this cross was meant to memorialize.

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    Re: U.S. judge orders landmark California cross taken down

    Quote Originally Posted by fallujah_baby View Post
    As a die-hard atheist, I believe the cross should go. The cross does an injustice to all atheists and to peoples of other religions who died in the American wars that this cross was meant to memorialize.
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    I have never been here before. Honestly I haven't. I was on another political site with the same avatar but never been to this one before.

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    Re: U.S. judge orders landmark California cross taken down

    Quote Originally Posted by fallujah_baby View Post
    As a die-hard atheist, I believe the cross should go. The cross does an injustice to all atheists and to peoples of other religions who died in the American wars that this cross was meant to memorialize.

    It does no injustice. Whether when it was erected, or now.
    Most of those folks who it represents were Christians.
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    Re: U.S. judge orders landmark California cross taken down

    As a Christian I would perfer it stay. But I do realize that opens the door for all other religions to erect their symbols on government property.
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    Re: U.S. judge orders landmark California cross taken down

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post

    It does no injustice. Whether when it was erected, or now.
    Most of those folks who it represents were Christians.
    Most were Christians for sure. Some were atheists though and those folks haven't had a memorial put up for them. America didn't take kindly to atheists back then. Those days are over.

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