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    Re: U.S. judge orders landmark California cross taken down

    Quote Originally Posted by fallujah_baby View Post
    As a die-hard atheist, I believe the cross should go. The cross does an injustice to all atheists and to peoples of other religions who died in the American wars that this cross was meant to memorialize.
    Yeah well, frankly, (And I'm not even remotely religious) these religions (Although I never really see atheists go after muslims or Jews with such veracity) they should start fighting back, placing as much religion in front of an around these atheist groups as possible. Picketing outside their headquarters and just overall being a huge glaring pain in the arse of these retard atheists that think they can remove everything religious from anything public. It pisses me off.


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    Re: U.S. judge orders landmark California cross taken down

    Quote Originally Posted by fallujah_baby View Post
    Most were Christians for sure. Some were atheists though and those folks haven't had a memorial put up for them. America didn't take kindly to atheists back then. Those days are over.
    The cross is there to honor everyone, Christian, Jew, Hindu and atheist alike who died in war. It is not endorsing any religion whatsoever. or establishing a religion either. It is a way many Americans have of honoring ALL Americans who died in battle.

    I'll be curious to what the atheists come up with to honor those who fought and died for human rights and freedoms, freedom of religion being among them. A big zero perhaps?

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    Re: U.S. judge orders landmark California cross taken down

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Yeah well, frankly, (And I'm not even remotely religious) these religions (Although I never really see atheists go after muslims or Jews with such veracity) they should start fighting back, placing as much religion in front of an around these atheist groups as possible. Picketing outside their headquarters and just overall being a huge glaring pain in the arse of these retard atheists that think they can remove everything religious from anything public. It pisses me off.


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    I'm not religious either but these jerks just get too tiresome and, as you mentioned, only go after the easy targets. Others don't turn their cheeks so easily when their religion is attacked but these same cowards would never go after them.

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    Re: U.S. judge orders landmark California cross taken down

    I'm not a religious person, so it matters not to me one way or another.

    That said, it never ceases to amaze me the level of offense some people take against the stupidest minor things. This cross is neither a promotion of one particular religion or any religion at all nor does it in any way impinge on any person's personal expression of religion as associated with death.

    There was a time when people lived their own lives, minded their own damn business and let others live as they pleased. Some people need to get a life and stop finding drama and insult behind every door.
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    Re: U.S. judge orders landmark California cross taken down

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I'm not a religious person, so it matters not to me one way or another.

    That said, it never ceases to amaze me the level of offense some people take against the stupidest minor things. This cross is neither a promotion of one particular religion or any religion at all nor does it in any way impinge on any person's personal expression of religion as associated with death.

    There was a time when people lived their own lives, minded their own damn business and let others live as they pleased. Some people need to get a life and stop finding drama and insult behind every door.
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    Re: U.S. judge orders landmark California cross taken down

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Did you just insult me?......Wait, wrong door. Never mind.
    You're pretty sharp these days!!
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    Re: U.S. judge orders landmark California cross taken down

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Here's my 2 cents. I believe strongly in separation of church and state. However, I believe the cross represents a memorial to those who died, rather than a religious symbol. To take it down, IMHO, would be a disservice to all who died for their country, that this memorial represents.
    Why does a cross represent such a memorial? What's the origin of using a crucifix in memory of something?
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    Re: U.S. judge orders landmark California cross taken down

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I'm not a religious person, so it matters not to me one way or another.

    That said, it never ceases to amaze me the level of offense some people take against the stupidest minor things. This cross is neither a promotion of one particular religion or any religion at all nor does it in any way impinge on any person's personal expression of religion as associated with death.

    There was a time when people lived their own lives, minded their own damn business and let others live as they pleased. Some people need to get a life and stop finding drama and insult behind every door.
    Name additional beliefs that use a crucifix.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: U.S. judge orders landmark California cross taken down

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Thinking tactically here: In order to promote atheism one must strike at the symbols of religion wherever they are and argue for their removal. That's what happening here - this isn't about a separation of church and state, it's not about the people who died (though it should be) which inspired the cross to be erected, it's about dismantling a belief system and the power that system has over people. Let people believe what they want - in Mother Earth, God, Allah, the Sun god Ra --- who cares? The cross on that piece of ground does no harm to anyone yet it now under court order must be removed. Stupid.
    I agree removal is stupid, it should just be grandfathered in. I would not put up any more religious symbols on public lands.

    I persoanlly have no problems wth a Xtian cross, even though I do not believe in any Gods/gods. As a "revelation" type god, anyways.

    It's all rather a silly issue to litigate - I don't see any harm in leaving an existing landmark; but don't institutionalize anymore please.
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    Re: U.S. judge orders landmark California cross taken down

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Why does a cross represent such a memorial? What's the origin of using a crucifix in memory of something?
    Why does it matter? The fact is that it is used now in western cultures to honor our war dead.

    If the the atheists can come up with something better than they should do it.

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