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    Re: U.S. judge orders landmark California cross taken down

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    The only question I have is whether the land the cross is on is owned by the government or a private individual. It does not say in the article. If owned by the government, I can see the decision.... maybe. Was this really an endorsement of religion, or is it similar to a tombstone, which would be a memorial, as opposed to a religious symbol. Of course if the land is owned by a private individual, then what is erected up there is none of the government's damn business.

    Your thoughts on this?

    EDIT: My bad. The land IS owned by the government, so the first question remains. Is the cross there really an endorsement of a religion or not? I believe it's not, and therefore disagree with the decision.

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    I think it's time to turn the tables. They want to ban public display of people's religious and traditions beliefs. How would it look if America banned the display of groups' rights to display those beliefs? Is it OK to ban displays of Menorah's? All displays of religious or traditional displays banned in U.S?
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    Re: U.S. judge orders landmark California cross taken down

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    There should not be a dilemma regarding public ownership of such a monument. This judge overreached IMHO and should never have ordered the removal. These kind of things have to be resolved by changing the laws in the US and not by handing monuments over to private groups.



    I am sorry, but "the cross should have never been removed" must not mean the same to you as it means to me. I objected to the removal of the cross. So please, do not accuse me of things I did not write or mean.



    No, it is not a solution. Atheists should fight important battles and not petty ones like this cross issue (on this monument).



    A cross (like on a grave) is not a particularly religious item and should not have lead to it's removal from this monument. I do not think the first amendment should be used for removing this cross from this monument.
    Ahh, my mistake. I thought you were arguing that it SHOULD be taken down. While I agree that it's a petty issue and that it's historical character should be protected, I also take no issue with transferring it to private ownership

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    Re: U.S. judge orders landmark California cross taken down

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    The simplest solution would have been to allow the land to be sold to a private group that would maintain the memorial. As I understood it, a few private groups offerred and the atheists blocked the sale.
    Atheists are all about removing all signs of religion in the United States, especially the Christian religion. They want everything gone, completely. They would take the cross off your grandmother's gravestone, dig her up and take the cross off her neck if they could get away with it.
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    Re: U.S. judge orders landmark California cross taken down

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    I was not aware this monument was in Japan or in Germany, also I was not aware that this monument was for German and Japanese war dead. This is still an American monument last time and I checked for US victims of war.

    Atheist trivialize nothing and we also do not make ridiculous remarks about swastika's or the rising sun. This is a monument to all the fallen US service men, no matter if they are Jewish, Muslim (not likely but who knows), native American faith, Christians or no faith.

    That some dumb atheist objected to a cross and that a dumb judge agreed with him is not the fault of "Atheists" but of one or a few atheists. Just like there are a whole host of different christians there are a lot of different atheists, some go insane about something stupid like a simple funeral cross but most (most likely) could care less. They are much more bothered with praying at school (through the intercom) than a cross on a monument.

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    Re: U.S. judge orders landmark California cross taken down

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yes, cuz that evil prayer is the cause of all our problems isn't it?
    No, and if it is a private school with no government funding they can go ahead and pray. I would even not have an issue with given a moment before class to say a silent and personal prayer. I am objecting to it being done over the intercom/pa system at schools.
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    Re: U.S. judge orders landmark California cross taken down

    There is no such thing as freedom from religion and quite frankly I would love to see the outcome of such a case..

    I don't even know where atheists get their arguments from - not only that but have a desire to **** on others happiness - weather it's religious content or just having a good time at Christmas...

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    Re: U.S. judge orders landmark California cross taken down

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    There is no such thing as freedom from religion and quite frankly I would love to see the outcome of such a case..

    I don't even know where atheists get their arguments from - not only that but have a desire to **** on others happiness - weather it's religious content or just having a good time at Christmas...
    It would be a bleak world without Christmas. In fact atheism itself suggests a form of bleakness.

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    Re: U.S. judge orders landmark California cross taken down

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yes, cuz that evil prayer is the cause of all our problems isn't it?
    Yes, who can really measure the harm that "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" has done. Or the 23rd Psalm.

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    Re: U.S. judge orders landmark California cross taken down

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It would be a bleak world without Christmas. In fact atheism itself suggests a form of bleakness.

    One of the "Al Shraptons" of atheism is from my general area and we just ignore him and his bitch daughter (who he brainwashes to be his replacement)...

    He has way more success at the national level but I think it's funny that the towns around him just ignore him... He doesn't even try anymore - he goes picking fights where he can find them or people will accept his stupidity.

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    Re: U.S. judge orders landmark California cross taken down

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    One of the "Al Shraptons" of atheism is from my general area and we just ignore him and his bitch daughter (who he brainwashes to be his replacement)...

    He has way more success at the national level but I think it's funny that the towns around him just ignore him... He doesn't even try anymore - he goes picking fights where he can find them or people will accept his stupidity.
    With all the craziness they're coming up with they're certainly becoming easier to ignore.

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