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Teen Sentenced To Probation For Deadly DWI Crash

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ReformCollege said:
Still, its still an extremely pompous defense.
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It was a stupid defense and any criminal lawyer w/1/2 a brain knows that. It did not work.

What worked was bribing the judge a priori and/or promising certain favors (political or financial) in exchange for a lenient sentence.
 
Excon said:
solletica said:
While in the ethan couch case, [...] but then given a light sentence by a judge who was most likely bribed in some fashion, a typical practice in red states where voters are generally too stupid to elect competent officials (i. e. judges).
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One, your statement is that which comes from a wild imagination.
Two, there is no evidence to support such ignorant contentions.
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Difficult to say what's more pathetic:

1) The fact that public officials in red-state America are so easily corrupted, or

2) The forum posters who use "..." to omit points they can't address and expect to have an iota of credibility
 
Excon said:
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No MaggieD, it shows your previous comments,

MaggieD ~ But had the victims been black? .... that sentence would NEVER have been handed down.
If this had been a 16-year-old black boy, they'd have thrown away the key. ​

were pulled from where the sun don't shine.



And your present comment of "the judge needs to be removed" just shows that you do not understand the Juvenal Justice System.
Especially as she was operating within the law.

But apparently, in order for your sensibilities to be satiated you want the kid given a sentence of what? 20, 30, 40 or 50 years for an accident? in which he would only serve two years of any sentence given. Yeah, that is real sensible. :doh


DALLAS — The case of Ethan Couch exposes a controversial part of the justice system and raises the question of whether juveniles should go to prison when their actions result in deaths.

"The law almost assumes they can be rehabilitated," said John Cruezot, a retired state district judge. "Not in every instance, but in most instances, I think it's appropriate for a judge to start at that standpoint."

Cruezot said the criticism against Tarrant County Judge Jean Boyd over her sentencing of 16-year-old Couch is unfair.

[...]

But, Cruezot said the judge was following the law.

"We don't know any of the information that was given to the judge and what she had to take into consideration to come to the conclusion," Cruezot said. "And, without that, it's hard to say she made a bad decision."

Sentence given to teen in deadly drunk driving crash spurs backlash | wfaa.com Dallas - Fort Worth​


I understand you don't like the sentence, but don't knee-jerk, talk smack and berate a Judge for doing their job,
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The judge was bribed. The only "job" she did was doing her part in the deal w/the drunk driver's family.

Now answer for us a very, very, very simple question, such as, for example. . .

How many times has the affluence of a criminal convicted of manslaughter or second-degree murder been successfully used as a rationale by defense lawyers to obtain a lenient sentence?

We'll give you 6 hours to answer.
 
ReformCollege said:
This was absolutely the worst fumble of justice I've ever seen.

That judge needs to be reprimanded/ impeached/ something. Letting the defense's argument that the boy suffered from "affluenza" (cough cough he's too rich to have to abide by measly peasant laws and consequences) is one of the most unprofessional things I've ever witnessed.
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The lawyer could argue pretty much anything successfully when the judge has already been bribed.
 
I think this is a stain on how we incorporate "mental illness" and mental issues into punishment.

"Affluenza" is a load of steaming horse ****. The kid should serve hard time for killing 4 people and being an idiot. 10 years with probation is so completely unreasonable, especially given the fact that he "suffers" from affluenza.
 
solletica said:
What worked was bribing the judge a priori and/or promising certain favors (political or financial) in exchange for a lenient sentence.
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Prove it.


solletica said:
Excon said:
solletica said:
While in the ethan couch case, the accused was successfully convicted by the prosecution, but then given a light sentence by a judge who was most likely bribed in some fashion, a typical practice in red states where voters are generally too stupid to elect competent officials (i. e. judges).
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One, your statement is that which comes from a wild imagination.
Two, there is no evidence to support such ignorant contentions.
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2) The forum posters who use "..." to omit points they can't address and expect to have an iota of credibility
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Ah hello!
I did not address that in my reply so there was no reason to include it. Or do you really not know that?

And as it is a given, there is also no reason to address it.
Or do you really know that there first has to be a conviction before reaching the sentencing phase?

But way to dodge the reply.
But since you did, let me provide it to you again.
One, your statement is that which comes from a wild imagination.
Two, there is no evidence to support such ignorant contentions.​


solletica said:
The judge was bribed.
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Prove it.


solletica said:
Now answer for us a very, very, very simple question, such as, for example. . .

How many times has the affluence of a criminal convicted of manslaughter or second-degree murder been successfully used as a rationale by defense lawyers to obtain a lenient sentence?

We'll give you 6 hours to answer.
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iLOL
:doh
Your question is irrelevant, especially as the Judge did not site this as a reason for her sentence.
Your question is irrelevant, especially as I have provided another case in which this Judge was more than willing to give the same type of sentence out to someone who had no affluence for a direct and deliberate act of violence which resulted in death.

As your question is irrelevant, it is not a question that I need to answer.

But as an answer to your question, to my knowledge, not once has it influenced any sentence a Judge has handed out.
 
digsbe said:
I think this is a stain on how we incorporate "mental illness" and mental issues into punishment.

"Affluenza" is a load of steaming horse ****.
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You are entitled to think that.



digsbe said:
The kid should serve hard time for killing 4 people and being an idiot. 10 years with probation is so completely unreasonable, especially given the fact that he "suffers" from affluenza.
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And he would only have served two years of it.
This 10 year sentence under the thumb of the Government, is far worse a punishment.
 
Excon said:
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No MaggieD, it shows your previous comments,

MaggieD ~ But had the victims been black? .... that sentence would NEVER have been handed down.
If this had been a 16-year-old black boy, they'd have thrown away the key. ​

were pulled from where the sun don't shine.



And your present comment of "the judge needs to be removed" just shows that you do not understand the Juvenal Justice System.
Especially as she was operating within the law.

But apparently, in order for your sensibilities to be satiated you want the kid given a sentence of what? 20, 30, 40 or 50 years for an accident? in which he would only serve two years of any sentence given. Yeah, that is real sensible. :doh


DALLAS — The case of Ethan Couch exposes a controversial part of the justice system and raises the question of whether juveniles should go to prison when their actions result in deaths.

"The law almost assumes they can be rehabilitated," said John Cruezot, a retired state district judge. "Not in every instance, but in most instances, I think it's appropriate for a judge to start at that standpoint."

Cruezot said the criticism against Tarrant County Judge Jean Boyd over her sentencing of 16-year-old Couch is unfair.

[...]

But, Cruezot said the judge was following the law.

"We don't know any of the information that was given to the judge and what she had to take into consideration to come to the conclusion," Cruezot said. "And, without that, it's hard to say she made a bad decision."

Sentence given to teen in deadly drunk driving crash spurs backlash | wfaa.com Dallas - Fort Worth​


I understand you don't like the sentence, but don't knee-jerk, talk smack and berate a Judge for doing their job, take up your dislike with the Juvenal Justice system.

And ya know, maybe if folks stopped going around making false racial bias claims, we could actually get down to addressing the real ones.
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I did not make a racial bias claim. What I said was that if black people had been killed, there would have been marching in the streets. Those demonstrations would have made this case a hot potato.
 
MaggieD said:
I did not make a racial bias claim. What I said was that if black people had been killed, there would have been marching in the streets. Those demonstrations would have made this case a hot potato.
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Yes MaggieD you did.
I will accept the above explanation and withdraw my claim as to the first, but not the second.
MaggieD said:
If this had been a 16-year-old black boy, they'd have thrown away the key.
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I do not know what you think that statement is, but it is one asserting a racial bias.
 
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Excon said:
Yes MaggieD you did.
I will accept the above explanation and withdraw my claim as to the first, but not the second.
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I do not know what you think that statement is, but it is one asserting a racial bias.
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I did say that. Mea culpa.
 
Excon said:
Yes MaggieD you did.
I will accept the above explanation and withdraw my claim as to the first, but not the second.I do not know what you think that statement is, but it is one asserting a racial bias.
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Well, there is a racial bias in our justice system. The statistics on that are alarmingly clear.
 
Excon said:
Yes MaggieD you did.
I will accept the above explanation and withdraw my claim as to the first, but not the second.
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I do not know what you think that statement is, but it is one asserting a racial bias.
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I disagree. That same judge gave a black kid a long prison sentence for playing the knockout game, in which his victim died. Yes, race is absolutely a factor.
 
Deuce said:
Well, there is a racial bias in our justice system. The statistics on that are alarmingly clear.
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:doh
That has not been proven because they can not account for all factors.


Nor is it relevant to this discussion.
 
danarhea said:
I disagree. That same judge gave a black kid a long prison sentence for playing the knockout game, in which his victim died. Yes, race is absolutely a factor.
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The 14 year old committed an intentional act of violence.
The 16 year old had an accident.
Not really the same.


But with that said.

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No race wasn't a factor.

You disagree because you have not been paying attention.

As previously brought forth -
That 14 year old black kid would have been the recipient of the same type sentence as in this case, but there were no treatment facilities that would take him because of the violent aspect of his crime.
 
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Excon said:
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The 14 year old committed an intentional act of violence.
The 16 year old had an accident.
Not really the same.


But with that said.

:naughty
No race wasn't a factor.

You disagree because you have not been paying attention.

As previously brought forth -
That 14 year old black kid would have been the recipient of the same type sentence as in this case, but there were no treatment facilities that would take him because of the violent aspect of his crime.
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When you drive drunk, the crimes you commit are also intentional, since it was your intention to get behind the wheel drunk.
 
danarhea said:
I disagree. That same judge gave a black kid a long prison sentence for playing the knockout game, in which his victim died. Yes, race is absolutely a factor.
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So the cases were exactly the same, and only skin color was different?
 
danarhea said:
When you drive drunk, the crimes you commit are also intentional, since it was your intention to get behind the wheel drunk.
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:doh
iLOL

You are trying to muddy the waters.

There is a difference between specific intent and general intent.

There was no specific intent to cause harm to anyone. That is why it is an accident and the charges were manslaughter (a general intent crime) and not murder.
Which, as already stated, is different than the 14 year old who had specific intent to harm to another.

And even thought the crimes were different by intent, both wold have received the same sentence from the Judge had a facility been wiling to take the one who committed a specific intent act to harm.

But way to ignore your failure to pay attention.
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
do you think skin color really matters as much as money and influence? If this was Obama's kid he would likely receive the same treatment, and if it was some poor piece of backwoods trash they would face multiple years sentenced as an adult.
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Perhaps what you say is true. I regress on the skin color. The wealth to get off easy still stands.
 
danarhea said:
When you drive drunk, the crimes you commit are also intentional, since it was your intention to get behind the wheel drunk.
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I find it disgusting that someone just calls this an "accident" that the drunken brat killed 4 innocent people. I don't think I could l live with myself if I had drunkedly killed four people.
 
Crosscheck said:
I find it disgusting that someone just calls this an "accident" that the drunken brat killed 4 innocent people. I don't think I could l live with myself if I had drunkedly killed four people.
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Maybe you couldn't.
Doesn't change the fact that it was still an accident.
Which was used as comparison to another crime that involved direct and deliberate intent to cause a person harm.
 
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solletica said:
It was a stupid defense and any criminal lawyer w/1/2 a brain knows that. It did not work.

What worked was bribing the judge a priori and/or promising certain favors (political or financial) in exchange for a lenient sentence.
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OJ Simpson sez "If you're rich as **** you must acquit.
 
danarhea said:
OJ Simpson sez "If you're rich as **** you must acquit.
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It is very sad that you continue with that meme even though the facts don't support it.
 
justabubba said:
how is this any different than barbara bush, who at the same age t-boned her ex-boyfriend in a fit of range
yup, her dad was rich, too
yup, also in tejas
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While she did run a stop sign and t-bone a car killing the driver, the part about the "fit of range" is just silly conspiracy theory bull crap. It assumes the least supported by evidence, least likely explanation to what happened is the real answer.

In reality a young kid was driving way too fast on a road at night and missed a stop sign. It happens all the time.

That doesn't mean that she shouldn't have been charged with an offense, though.. you just ruin your own argument by taking it deep into the stupid for no reason.
 
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