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    Re: Teen Sentenced To Probation For Deadly DWI Crash

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    All that anecdote means is that you're a masochist who thinks you deserve to be punished.

    "Field sobriety" tests are also based on junk science just as the "breathalyzer" the "e-meter" and "lie detector" tests. They should be outlawed.
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    Re: Teen Sentenced To Probation For Deadly DWI Crash

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    Breathalyzers are based on junk science. Kinda like "lie detectors" and "e-meters".

    And so what if he was drunk? That does not prove that he intended to get in a wreck and kill anyone.
    It's not junk science. The chemical reactions that a breathalyzer measures work the same for everyone and give a reasonable estimate of BAC. That test, especially when combined with practiced observation, can easily determine impairment and, again, I GUARANTEE that someone who blows a .24 is noticeably impaired.

    As far as not intending to kill someone.....really? He wasn't on trial for murder one but vehicular homicide or second degree murder would both be reasonable.

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    Re: Teen Sentenced To Probation For Deadly DWI Crash

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    It's not junk science. The chemical reactions that a breathalyzer measures work the same for everyone and give a reasonable estimate of BAC. That test, especially when combined with practiced observation, can easily determine impairment and, again, I GUARANTEE that someone who blows a .24 is noticeably impaired.

    As far as not intending to kill someone.....really? He wasn't on trial for murder one but vehicular homicide or second degree murder would both be reasonable.
    just out of curiosity
    what would a breathalyzer indicate for someone who had imbibed say 5 minute before the test and that was their only drink?

    I ask because, as a layman, I know there is a procedure to be followed and could you explain what that is, based on your experiences?
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    Re: Teen Sentenced To Probation For Deadly DWI Crash

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I'll chime in on this if I may. I have friend in Canada who gave a clean .3 reading a few years ago and was hospitalized immediately. Drunk as far as I know is anything near .20 - This is a 16 year old boy who couldn't possibly weigh more than what? 150? Yeah, it's a miracle he didn't simply pass out and then choke in his vomit before he killed these people.
    Yeah. While .08 is really a little overprotective as far as I'm concerned most people are showing obvious signs of intoxication at about .125 and by .175 there is usually little question. At a .2 most people are obviously unsteady on their feet, have significantly slurred speech and can't react to anything they aren't already focused on.

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    Re: Teen Sentenced To Probation For Deadly DWI Crash

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    All that anecdote means is that you're a masochist who thinks you deserve to be punished.

    Changing the "legal limit" doesn't make anyone any drunker or soberer. It is just an arbitrary number that kleptocrat leeches use to steal money from other, more productive people. Plain and simple.

    "Field sobriety" tests are also based on junk science just as the "breathalyzer" the "e-meter" and "lie detector" tests. They should be outlawed.
    It is statements like this that make me wish for the power to send people to a parallel universe of their own design.
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    Re: Teen Sentenced To Probation For Deadly DWI Crash

    Quote Originally Posted by RogueWarrior View Post
    just out of curiosity
    what would a breathalyzer indicate for someone who had imbibed say 5 minute before the test and that was their only drink?

    I ask because, as a layman, I know there is a procedure to be followed and could you explain what that is, based on your experiences?
    In common practice you wouldn't test someone who just had a drink 5 minutes ago. They would likely still have alcohol in their mouth and what you want to measure is the alcohol from deep in their lungs...where it's mixing with their blood. You'd usually wait to test someone at least until you could be reasonably sure it had been 20 minutes or so since their last drink.

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    Re: Teen Sentenced To Probation For Deadly DWI Crash

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Yeah. While .08 is really a little overprotective as far as I'm concerned most people are showing obvious signs of intoxication at about .125 and by .175 there is usually little question. At a .2 most people are obviously unsteady on their feet, have significantly slurred speech and can't react to anything they aren't already focused on.
    I respectfully disagree about .08 being overprotective. At a .05, I can tell that I am slightly impaired.
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    Re: Teen Sentenced To Probation For Deadly DWI Crash

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Yeah. While .08 is really a little overprotective as far as I'm concerned most people are showing obvious signs of intoxication at about .125 and by .175 there is usually little question. At a .2 most people are obviously unsteady on their feet, have significantly slurred speech and can't react to anything they aren't already focused on.
    Couldn't agree more. I think what people don't understand is that BAC is a percentage. A 0.8 on a person that weighs 240 pounds is not the same as a 0.8 on a person who weighs 150 pounds. However, these are the noticeable effects regardless of weight:

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    You notice the same thing I do? Because I see that there is no way this 150 pound kid made a reasonable choice by getting behind the wheel and he should be held accountable for it.
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    Re: Teen Sentenced To Probation For Deadly DWI Crash

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    It's not junk science. The chemical reactions that a breathalyzer measures work the same for everyone and give a reasonable estimate of BAC. That test, especially when combined with practiced observation, can easily determine impairment and, again, I GUARANTEE that someone who blows a .24 is noticeably impaired.
    You have no proof of that. Your opinion in this case is totally based on unsupported assertions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    As far as not intending to kill someone.....really? He wasn't on trial for murder one but vehicular homicide or second degree murder would both be reasonable.
    In other words, there was no criminal intent at all.

    10 years of probation? That's just bull****. It's a very unreasonable intrusion by the govt. The criminal justice indutrial complex leeches just think daddy has a lot of money they can rip-off.

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    Re: Teen Sentenced To Probation For Deadly DWI Crash

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I respectfully disagree about .08 being overprotective. At a .05, I can tell that I am slightly impaired.
    And I fully respect your disagreement.

    Sure, I can tell I've had something to drink after one drink but in my experience most people who blew below a .1 were very slightly impaired. Their reflexes were still usually pretty decent and, frankly, by the time we finished checking them they were plenty sober.

    As a rule of thumb an average sized male will burn off .05% blood alcohol every 45 min to 1 hour so if you have one beer an hour you should be fine under pretty much any circumstances. If you have 2 an hour you'll probably be borderline but if it takes me half an hour to test you you'll probably come in just under the .08 wire.

    Now I'm not about to speak for everyone and personally I'm a little bit beyond average size but 2 beers an hour for me...I'd know I wasn't drinking iced tea but driving really wouldn't be a problem.

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