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    Re: Teen Sentenced To Probation For Deadly DWI Crash

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Still, its still an extremely pompous defense.
    It was a stupid defense and any criminal lawyer w/1/2 a brain knows that. It did not work.

    What worked was bribing the judge a priori and/or promising certain favors (political or financial) in exchange for a lenient sentence.

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    Re: Teen Sentenced To Probation For Deadly DWI Crash

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    Quote Originally Posted by solletica
    While in the ethan couch case, [...] but then given a light sentence by a judge who was most likely bribed in some fashion, a typical practice in red states where voters are generally too stupid to elect competent officials (i. e. judges).
    One, your statement is that which comes from a wild imagination.
    Two, there is no evidence to support such ignorant contentions.
    Difficult to say what's more pathetic:

    1) The fact that public officials in red-state America are so easily corrupted, or

    2) The forum posters who use "..." to omit points they can't address and expect to have an iota of credibility

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    Re: Teen Sentenced To Probation For Deadly DWI Crash

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post

    No MaggieD, it shows your previous comments,

    MaggieD ~ But had the victims been black? .... that sentence would NEVER have been handed down.
    If this had been a 16-year-old black boy, they'd have thrown away the key.

    were pulled from where the sun don't shine.



    And your present comment of "the judge needs to be removed" just shows that you do not understand the Juvenal Justice System.
    Especially as she was operating within the law.

    But apparently, in order for your sensibilities to be satiated you want the kid given a sentence of what? 20, 30, 40 or 50 years for an accident? in which he would only serve two years of any sentence given. Yeah, that is real sensible.


    DALLAS — The case of Ethan Couch exposes a controversial part of the justice system and raises the question of whether juveniles should go to prison when their actions result in deaths.

    "The law almost assumes they can be rehabilitated," said John Cruezot, a retired state district judge. "Not in every instance, but in most instances, I think it's appropriate for a judge to start at that standpoint."

    Cruezot said the criticism against Tarrant County Judge Jean Boyd over her sentencing of 16-year-old Couch is unfair.

    [...]

    But, Cruezot said the judge was following the law.

    "We don't know any of the information that was given to the judge and what she had to take into consideration to come to the conclusion," Cruezot said. "And, without that, it's hard to say she made a bad decision."


    Sentence given to teen in deadly drunk driving crash spurs backlash | wfaa.com Dallas - Fort Worth


    I understand you don't like the sentence, but don't knee-jerk, talk smack and berate a Judge for doing their job,
    The judge was bribed. The only "job" she did was doing her part in the deal w/the drunk driver's family.

    Now answer for us a very, very, very simple question, such as, for example. . .

    How many times has the affluence of a criminal convicted of manslaughter or second-degree murder been successfully used as a rationale by defense lawyers to obtain a lenient sentence?

    We'll give you 6 hours to answer.

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    Re: Teen Sentenced To Probation For Deadly DWI Crash

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    This was absolutely the worst fumble of justice I've ever seen.

    That judge needs to be reprimanded/ impeached/ something. Letting the defense's argument that the boy suffered from "affluenza" (cough cough he's too rich to have to abide by measly peasant laws and consequences) is one of the most unprofessional things I've ever witnessed.
    The lawyer could argue pretty much anything successfully when the judge has already been bribed.

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    Re: Teen Sentenced To Probation For Deadly DWI Crash

    I think this is a stain on how we incorporate "mental illness" and mental issues into punishment.

    "Affluenza" is a load of steaming horse ****. The kid should serve hard time for killing 4 people and being an idiot. 10 years with probation is so completely unreasonable, especially given the fact that he "suffers" from affluenza.
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    Re: Teen Sentenced To Probation For Deadly DWI Crash

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    What worked was bribing the judge a priori and/or promising certain favors (political or financial) in exchange for a lenient sentence.
    Prove it.


    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    While in the ethan couch case, the accused was successfully convicted by the prosecution, but then given a light sentence by a judge who was most likely bribed in some fashion, a typical practice in red states where voters are generally too stupid to elect competent officials (i. e. judges).
    One, your statement is that which comes from a wild imagination.
    Two, there is no evidence to support such ignorant contentions.
    2) The forum posters who use "..." to omit points they can't address and expect to have an iota of credibility
    Ah hello!
    I did not address that in my reply so there was no reason to include it. Or do you really not know that?

    And as it is a given, there is also no reason to address it.
    Or do you really know that there first has to be a conviction before reaching the sentencing phase?

    But way to dodge the reply.
    But since you did, let me provide it to you again.
    One, your statement is that which comes from a wild imagination.
    Two, there is no evidence to support such ignorant contentions.


    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    The judge was bribed.
    Prove it.


    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    Now answer for us a very, very, very simple question, such as, for example. . .

    How many times has the affluence of a criminal convicted of manslaughter or second-degree murder been successfully used as a rationale by defense lawyers to obtain a lenient sentence?

    We'll give you 6 hours to answer.
    iLOL

    Your question is irrelevant, especially as the Judge did not site this as a reason for her sentence.
    Your question is irrelevant, especially as I have provided another case in which this Judge was more than willing to give the same type of sentence out to someone who had no affluence for a direct and deliberate act of violence which resulted in death.

    As your question is irrelevant, it is not a question that I need to answer.

    But as an answer to your question, to my knowledge, not once has it influenced any sentence a Judge has handed out.
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    Re: Teen Sentenced To Probation For Deadly DWI Crash

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I think this is a stain on how we incorporate "mental illness" and mental issues into punishment.

    "Affluenza" is a load of steaming horse ****.
    You are entitled to think that.



    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    The kid should serve hard time for killing 4 people and being an idiot. 10 years with probation is so completely unreasonable, especially given the fact that he "suffers" from affluenza.
    And he would only have served two years of it.
    This 10 year sentence under the thumb of the Government, is far worse a punishment.
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    Re: Teen Sentenced To Probation For Deadly DWI Crash

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post

    No MaggieD, it shows your previous comments,

    MaggieD ~ But had the victims been black? .... that sentence would NEVER have been handed down.
    If this had been a 16-year-old black boy, they'd have thrown away the key.

    were pulled from where the sun don't shine.



    And your present comment of "the judge needs to be removed" just shows that you do not understand the Juvenal Justice System.
    Especially as she was operating within the law.

    But apparently, in order for your sensibilities to be satiated you want the kid given a sentence of what? 20, 30, 40 or 50 years for an accident? in which he would only serve two years of any sentence given. Yeah, that is real sensible.


    DALLAS — The case of Ethan Couch exposes a controversial part of the justice system and raises the question of whether juveniles should go to prison when their actions result in deaths.

    "The law almost assumes they can be rehabilitated," said John Cruezot, a retired state district judge. "Not in every instance, but in most instances, I think it's appropriate for a judge to start at that standpoint."

    Cruezot said the criticism against Tarrant County Judge Jean Boyd over her sentencing of 16-year-old Couch is unfair.

    [...]

    But, Cruezot said the judge was following the law.

    "We don't know any of the information that was given to the judge and what she had to take into consideration to come to the conclusion," Cruezot said. "And, without that, it's hard to say she made a bad decision."


    Sentence given to teen in deadly drunk driving crash spurs backlash | wfaa.com Dallas - Fort Worth


    I understand you don't like the sentence, but don't knee-jerk, talk smack and berate a Judge for doing their job, take up your dislike with the Juvenal Justice system.

    And ya know, maybe if folks stopped going around making false racial bias claims, we could actually get down to addressing the real ones.
    I did not make a racial bias claim. What I said was that if black people had been killed, there would have been marching in the streets. Those demonstrations would have made this case a hot potato.

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    Re: Teen Sentenced To Probation For Deadly DWI Crash

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I did not make a racial bias claim. What I said was that if black people had been killed, there would have been marching in the streets. Those demonstrations would have made this case a hot potato.
    Yes MaggieD you did.
    I will accept the above explanation and withdraw my claim as to the first, but not the second.
    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    If this had been a 16-year-old black boy, they'd have thrown away the key.
    I do not know what you think that statement is, but it is one asserting a racial bias.
    Last edited by Excon; 12-15-13 at 12:37 AM.
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    Re: Teen Sentenced To Probation For Deadly DWI Crash

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Yes MaggieD you did.
    I will accept the above explanation and withdraw my claim as to the first, but not the second.
    I do not know what you think that statement is, but it is one asserting a racial bias.
    I did say that. Mea culpa.

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