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Teen Sentenced To Probation For Deadly DWI Crash

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danarhea said:
This just goes to show that, if you are white and rich, you get probation, even if you drive drunk and kill 4 people, while maiming 11 others for life. But if you are black and poor you go to prison, like this guy who was poor and black and had an IQ of 61..... Wait!! I take that back. He not only went to prison, he was executed.

The worst part is that neither the father, nor his son, showed absolutely any remorse at all, which is why this guy should have gone to prison for a very, very long time. Instead, he will get to live his life richly, after serving a short term term at an upscale multi-millionaires only rehab center, paid for with the half a million bucks his father is giving them.

Yes, folks. Money DOES buy justice these days. But, if there is justice in this world, his father will no longer be part of the 1%, since it was one of his company trucks his son was driving when he snuffed out all those lives. The 15 or more lawsuits that will undoubtedly be filed against him will take care of that. Sad to say, though, it won't bring back any of those people his son killed, or repair any of the damage to the 11 who survived but are now crippled for life. In the end, we can only hope that this family learns what it is like to be poor, after becoming poor themselves.

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Was there any doubt that this is a class system with the elite rich on the top and everyone else being walked over? This is exactly what the single party system is established to create, duh.
 
Ikari said:
Was there any doubt that this is a class system with the elite rich on the top and everyone else being walked over? This is exactly what the single party system is established to create, duh.
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You comment is nonsensical, as that is not the case in this situation.
 
Excon said:
You comment is nonsensical, as that is not the case in this situation.
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It's not nonsensical. DWI resulting in fatality is severely punished these days, people get 20+ years even though it is an accident. This case 4 people were killed, had the kid not been from a rich family he wouldn't have just gotten probation. Duh.
 
Ikari said:
It's not nonsensical. DWI resulting in fatality is severely punished these days, people get 20+ years even though it is an accident. This case 4 people were killed, had the kid not been from a rich family he wouldn't have just gotten probation. Duh.
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Yes your reply is nonsensical as this was a Juvenile Court, where the judge is on the record as willing to give out the same type of sentence for a more heinous act murder.
Which had nothing to do with wealth.

And as it is a Juvenile Court, where rehab is the concern and not punishment, a twenty year sentence would have only resulted in an actual two year sentence (when he turned 18).
They way it works out, he is under the thumb of the Government for ten years.
That is a horrible and quite oppressive sentence. Far worse than the two years if he had been given a twenty.
 
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Excon said:
Yes your reply is nonsensical as this was a Juvenile Court, where the judge is on the record as willing to give out the same type of sentence for a more heinous act murder.
Which had nothing to do with wealth.

And as it is a Juvenile Court, where rehab is the concern and not punishment, a twenty year sentence would have only resulted in an actual two year sentence (when he turned 18).
They way it works out, he is under the thumb of the Government for ten years.
That is a horrible and quite oppressive sentence. Far worse than the two years if he had been given a twenty.
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A poor person wouldn't have ended in Juvenile Court for this. A poor person wouldn't face just 2 years. We crucify DUI killers these days, beyond reason and limit. Richers get to go on, poor folk go to jail. That's the lesson of our society.
 
Ikari said:
A poor person wouldn't have ended in Juvenile Court for this. A poor person wouldn't face just 2 years. We crucify DUI killers these days, beyond reason and limit. Richers get to go on, poor folk go to jail. That's the lesson of our society.
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Wrong.
That is why the 14 year old ended up in that Court for Murder right?
Spare us. You clearly do not know of what you speak.
 
Ikari said:
A poor person wouldn't have ended in Juvenile Court for this. A poor person wouldn't face just 2 years. We crucify DUI killers these days, beyond reason and limit. Richers get to go on, poor folk go to jail. That's the lesson of our society.
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I don't think a poor person would have the financial means to hire an attorney, then pay a "doctor" (I mean quack) to make and reaffirm such a loony defense.

It's amazing the defense worked and I'm shocked the judge didn't see the irony in his ruling.

This is why the kid should have been charged with 2 or 3 counts of murder, that way if you don't get the sentence you want - you charge him with murder again in a separate case.

Generally I think our judicial system is just screwed up and people are usually persecuted er prosecuted unfairly, however this case is just astounding considering the kid admitted guilt...

I don't understand how a judge could buy any of the defenses nonsense.
 
Excon said:
Yes your reply is nonsensical as this was a Juvenile Court, where the judge is on the record as willing to give out the same type of sentence for a more heinous act murder.
Which had nothing to do with wealth.

And as it is a Juvenile Court, where rehab is the concern and not punishment, a twenty year sentence would have only resulted in an actual two year sentence (when he turned 18).
They way it works out, he is under the thumb of the Government for ten years.
That is a horrible and quite oppressive sentence. Far worse than the two years if he had been given a twenty.
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None of that is true...

I don't even know where to begin with everything you just made up.

You do realize in most states they can hold juveniles until they're 21 if their sentence meets or exceeds that age. Usually in capitol cases juveniles have to serve their sentence, and when they're 18 they're transferred to an adult prison to serve it out.
 
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You and I don't agree very often Mr. Nick..
But when we do, I'm thinking dos Aquis .
Mr.Nick said:
I don't think a poor person would have the financial means to hire an attorney, then pay a "doctor" (I mean quack) to make and reaffirm such a loony defense.

It's amazing the defense worked and I'm shocked the judge didn't see the irony in his ruling.

This is why the kid should have been charged with 2 or 3 counts of murder, that way if you don't get the sentence you want - you charge him with murder again in a separate case.

Generally I think our judicial system is just screwed up and people are usually persecuted er prosecuted unfairly, however this case is just astounding considering the kid admitted guilt...

I don't understand how a judge could buy any of the defenses nonsense.
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Mr.Nick said:
None of that is true...

I don't even know where to begin with everything you just made up.
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You clearly know not of what you speak.
 
Excon said:
You clearly know not of what you speak.
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Oh, I know of what I speak and I know criminal law (at least criminal law in Illinois) quite well.

I've done prison time myself (wrongly convicted)....
 
Mr.Nick said:
It's amazing the defense worked and I'm shocked the judge didn't see the irony in his ruling.
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Defense?
It wasn't an argument of defense.
It was during sentencing.

Nor can you show that the Judge even considered the argument, or that iot had any influence on the sentence.

The fact that the Judge was more than willing to sentence a non-affluent murderer to the same type of sentence says it wasn't even a consideration.


Mr.Nick said:
This is why the kid should have been charged with 2 or 3 counts of murder,
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:doh
Nope. Not the way the system works. It was manslaughter as there was no specific intent to cause harm.


Mr.Nick said:
I don't understand how a judge could buy any of the defenses nonsense.
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You can't show she bought any such thing.
 
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Mr.Nick said:
Oh, I know of what I speak and I know criminal law (at least criminal law in Illinois) quite well.
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This isn't Illinois is it?
Which also means your personal experience matters not.

And if you knew of what you speak, then you would know what I said was true.
So you are just showing you don't.
 
IMO, if I was a judge I would have thrown that nonsense defense out citing ignorance of the law is no excuse...

I would love to know what the original plea agreement (agreed sentence) was - it certainly wasn't 10 years probation.
 
still playing dodge-ball..
Excon said:
This isn't Illinois is it?
Which also means your personal experience matters not.

And if you knew of what you speak, then you would know what I said was true.
So you are just showing you don't.
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and not remembering the extended families at this Christmas time .
 
Mr.Nick said:
IMO, if I was a judge I would have thrown that nonsense defense out citing ignorance of the law is no excuse...
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iLOL
It was not a defense.
 
Excon said:
This isn't Illinois is it?
Which also means your personal experience matters not.

And if you knew of what you speak, then you would know what I said was true.
So you are just showing you don't.
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It doesn't matter considering most states criminal codes and statutes are just about the same, just with subtle differences.

No you made everything you said up...

In capital cases (in Illinois that would be a M or a class X felony which this case is) - the juvenile serves his/her prison sentence and gets transferred to adult prison at 18. Now, if it is lesser offense, they usually just hold him/her until they're 21.

Juvenile cases are a gray area, however if you're sentenced to 20 years in Illinois as a juvenile (or any state) you're doing between 9 1/2 years or 16 (some states have day for day credit while others make you do 85% of your time with the rest on parole)..

So you seriously want to argue with me on this?

They don't release kids when they're 18 if their sentence exceeds them turning 18.
 
Mr.Nick said:
So you seriously want to argue with me on this?
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:doh
:lamo
And again, We are not speaking of Illinois.

Even his attorney knows of what I speak.

Scott Brown, the boy's lead defense attorney, said he could have been freed after two years if he had drawn the 20-year sentence. Instead, the judge "fashioned a sentence that could have him under the thumb of the justice system for the next 10 years," he told the Star-Telegram.
'Affluenza' Defense Draws Criticism In Ethan Couch Sentence For Fatal DWI Wreck​
 
Mr.Nick said:
Yes it absolutely was a defense...
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No it wasn't.
It was during sentencing. That is not defense.
It wasn't even presented as mitigation.
It was presented to suggest he needed rehabilitation instead of prison.
That is not in defense of the act he committed.
So stop with your absurdities.
 
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Mr.Nick said:
I don't think a poor person would have the financial means to hire an attorney, then pay a "doctor" (I mean quack) to make and reaffirm such a loony defense.

It's amazing the defense worked and I'm shocked the judge didn't see the irony in his ruling.

This is why the kid should have been charged with 2 or 3 counts of murder, that way if you don't get the sentence you want - you charge him with murder again in a separate case.

Generally I think our judicial system is just screwed up and people are usually persecuted er prosecuted unfairly, however this case is just astounding considering the kid admitted guilt...

I don't understand how a judge could buy any of the defenses nonsense.
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I just think it needs to be consistent. Money shouldn't play a role, even though it so obviously did to anyone honest enough to admit it.
 
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