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Senate Aide (R) Suspected of Distributing...

Kobie said:
Ding ding ding.

Many conservatives tried to paint left-wing skewering of Mark Foley or Ted Haggard or Larry Craig as being "anti-gay." Which is ridiculous. The issue is when people preach or legislate being anti-gay with one hand while jacking off a dude with the other. It's hypocrisy.
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You don't think the left gets preachy about certain things then fails to live up to it? Environmentalism springs readily to mind.
 
Summerwind said:
Oh my those family values Republicans are at it again.
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Stories like this one especially have nothing to do with the GOP.

They're the actions of an individual.

There's a big difference between this and their stance on gay marriage, which ignores that it harms no one, it's natural and that many people are gay, including it's some of it's representatives who fight against rights for gays.

On the other hand we're all against child pornography because it harms children and there's no double standard there.
 
X Factor said:
You don't think the left gets preachy about certain things then fails to live up to it? Environmentalism springs readily to mind.
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Most certainly some do. When did I say they didn't?

Is it really to that point where one must make the "our side does it too, just different" codicil to any obvious highlighting of hypocrisy?
 
Kobie said:
Most certainly some do. When did I say they didn't?

Is it really to that point where one must make the "our side does it too, just different" codicil to any obvious highlighting of hypocrisy?
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In other words, you'd rather not have to acknowledge it or talk about it at all. ;)

It's just something I've noticed. You say it's just more right and fair to jump on the moral failings of those on the right because we speak more about upholding morality. Why then does that not translate to those things that liberals claim the high ground on?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
No. I am comparing the actual, personal, intentional moral failure (twice, once by adultery and next by lying about it) to that of guilt by association with the (unknown?) moral failure of another.
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Which makes utterly no sense in the context of this thread. Rational thought seems to go out the window when politics is involved, sadly.
 
X Factor said:
In other words, you'd rather not have to acknowledge it or talk about it at all. ;)

It's just something I've noticed. You say it's just more right and fair to jump on the moral failings of those on the right because we speak more about upholding morality. Why then does that not translate to those things that liberals claim the high ground on?
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When did I ever say it did? When did I say it was "more right"?

Perhaps if you didn't claim I said things I never said, I might be more inclined to actually discuss issues with you.
 
CanadaJohn said:
At least most conservatives aspire to higher morals and values
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But often times it's an extremely hypocritical and wrong stand to take given facts.

Many conservatives stance on Homosexuality is an example of this.

But this particular story has nothing to do with moral grandstanding.

even if they sometimes fail.
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In this case it has nothing to do with politics or political parties or of failing for that matter.

It's about an individual doing something incredibly egregious and who will likely face very serious consequences (and rightly so).

Many liberals don't even put up the pretense.
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This is a situation in which only the hardest of the hardcore partisans will try to turn it into some political hay.

I think 99% of us, whether we be liberals, conservatives, libertarians, humanists (like myself) believe this mans actions are utterly wrong and contemptible and he should face maximum punishment.
 
reinoe said:
If Republicans would stop being so damn preachy then there wouldn't be so much indignation.
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We're all preachy about child pornography. At least I would hope so. There should and would be outrage directed at any public official who engaged in this practice.
 
CanadaJohn said:
At least most conservatives aspire to higher morals and values, even if they sometimes fail. Many liberals don't even put up the pretense.
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Except they don't aspire to higher morals or values. They're just preachy and arrogant. Just because someone doesn't brag about their charity work doesn't mean they don't donate their time at soup kitchens. Likewise just because someone doesn't boast about their perceived morality doesn't mean they aren't upstanding citizens.
 
CanadaJohn said:
At least most conservatives aspire to higher morals and values, even if they sometimes fail. Many liberals don't even put up the pretense.
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Well, this isn't surprising at all.
 
Summerwind said:
Senate aide suspected of distributing child pornography - latimes.com



Oh my those family values Republicans are at it again. /sarcasm
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Hmmm a broad brush you paint with. ".. Let he who is without sin...." It doesn't matter what party he is affiliated with.. he's a scumbag. But like most latched onto politicians (regardless of party) he either will do no time, or time in some minimum security tennis resort. If he was in a general population, he would have no problem finding a date,... and rightly so.
 
DiAnna said:
Which makes utterly no sense in the context of this thread. Rational thought seems to go out the window when politics is involved, sadly.
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This story would not even be news if not for the politics involved.
 
Summerwind said:
Oh come on, don't ruin my schadenfreude. You know they went after Weiner like wolves, and definitely tried to paint the whole party all the way back to Clinton, probably even Kennedy. It's ridiculous for us to try to be PC with folks such as they, imo.
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When Weiner gets caught, lies about it blaming a hacker, gets caught in the lie then fesses up, gets booted out and then goes and does it AGAIN not even a year later... I mean Democrats went after him like wolves and rightly so. This guy Loskarn, if he did what he did, he should be convicted and locked up with bubba the tossed salad man in jail - period. Degenerates like him do not belong in any position of power or where he has the ear of governmental power. There's no defending this in any conceivable fashion and while I know you'd love to paint everyone on the right with that same brush, that would be a lie just like it would be if any from the right painted all Democrats with Weiners moronic escapades.
 
soccerboy22 said:
Regardless of party, that is a pretty messed up thing to do. If convicted jail will not be kind to him.
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The sad part, is that this dude isn't going to jail.
 
Jetboogieman said:
But often times it's an extremely hypocritical and wrong stand to take given facts.

Many conservatives stance on Homosexuality is an example of this.

But this particular story has nothing to do with moral grandstanding.



In this case it has nothing to do with politics or political parties or of failing for that matter.

It's about an individual doing something incredibly egregious and who will likely face very serious consequences (and rightly so).



This is a situation in which only the hardest of the hardcore partisans will try to turn it into some political hay.

I think 99% of us, whether we be liberals, conservatives, libertarians, humanists (like myself) believe this mans actions are utterly wrong and contemptible and he should face maximum punishment.
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I agree with much of what you say here. Let me ask you a question, since I believe you've brought up homosexuality a couple of times in this thread and in my view pedophilia and homosexuality aren't remotely connected except as it relates to innate brain function and I believe studies prove that pedophilia is far more a heterosexual "affliction" than a homosexual one.

Many people, myself among them, believe that homosexuality is innate and not a learned desire - I presume you agree. Many people also believe that pedophilia is innate and not a learned desire - perhaps you agree, maybe not. If we are to accept that people don't environmentally develop a desire to become homosexual do we also accept that people don't environmentally develop a desire to become pedophiliacs?

I ask this question because it seems to me that those who find homosexuality aberrant and abhorrent come from a similar place as those who find pedophilia aberrant and abhorrent. If one is to take homosexuality as a given in some people, something that cannot be acquired and/or changed, should not one also take pedophilia in some people as a given, something that cannot be acquired and/or changed?

I'm not offering up this question/discussion because I believe there should be equal rights for pedophiliacs or that I'm equating the effects of homosexuality and pedophilia but as a way of saying that your suggestion that this man's "actions are utterly wrong and contemptible and he should face maximum punishment" is similar to the outlook of many in society a few short decades or a century ago with respect to homosexuals.
 
Summerwind said:
Senate aide suspected of distributing child pornography - latimes.com

Oh my those family values Republicans are at it again. /sarcasm
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If the aide himself was a "Family values" republican and put forward that notion in order to get his job, then that line of attack against HIM would be reasonable because he specificlaly presented himself as one thing and showed himself to be something else. However, there's no evidence of that. And attacking the party as a whole for the actions of an aid is ridiculous.

Glad the authorities caught him and if he's guilty I wish him an appropriate prison sentence for such a crime and all that goes with it.
 
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reinoe said:
Except they don't aspire to higher morals or values. They're just preachy and arrogant. Just because someone doesn't brag about their charity work doesn't mean they don't donate their time at soup kitchens. Likewise just because someone doesn't boast about their perceived morality doesn't mean they aren't upstanding citizens.
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If you think all conservatives are preachy and arrogant, you haven't a clue about what most conservatives are about.
 
CanadaJohn said:
At least most conservatives aspire to higher morals and values, even if they sometimes fail. Many liberals don't even put up the pretense.
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Good morning, CJ. :2wave:

Is it because they think they're always right in their thinking, and they don't feel a need to justify anything they do? Possible...

CJ, you were spot on the other day about cold weather heading to my area! It is currently 7 degrees here, the water I put out for the wild critters 30 minutes ago has frozen into a block of ice, and it's just miserable! It's only projected to get to a high of 18 degrees today, then drop to minus 7 degrees tonight! :eek:
 
CanadaJohn said:
I agree with much of what you say here. Let me ask you a question, since I believe you've brought up homosexuality a couple of times in this thread and in my view pedophilia and homosexuality aren't remotely connected except as it relates to innate brain function and I believe studies prove that pedophilia is far more a heterosexual "affliction" than a homosexual one.

Many people, myself among them, believe that homosexuality is innate and not a learned desire - I presume you agree. Many people also believe that pedophilia is innate and not a learned desire - perhaps you agree, maybe not. If we are to accept that people don't environmentally develop a desire to become homosexual do we also accept that people don't environmentally develop a desire to become pedophiliacs?

I ask this question because it seems to me that those who find homosexuality aberrant and abhorrent come from a similar place as those who find pedophilia aberrant and abhorrent. If one is to take homosexuality as a given in some people, something that cannot be acquired and/or changed, should not one also take pedophilia in some people as a given, something that cannot be acquired and/or changed?

I'm not offering up this question/discussion because I believe there should be equal rights for pedophiliacs or that I'm equating the effects of homosexuality and pedophilia but as a way of saying that your suggestion that this man's "actions are utterly wrong and contemptible and he should face maximum punishment" is similar to the outlook of many in society a few short decades or a century ago with respect to homosexuals.
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The major difference as I explained before, is that children cannot consent and therefore if a pedophile acts on his desires, he/she harms someone.

With consensual homosexuality between adults this is not the case.
 
polgara said:
Good morning, CJ. :2wave:

Is it because they think they're always right in their thinking, and they don't feel a need to justify anything they do? Possible...

CJ, you were spot on the other day about cold weather heading to my area! It is currently 7 degrees here, the water I put out for the wild critters 30 minutes ago has frozen into a block of ice, and it's just miserable! It's only projected to get to a high of 18 degrees today, then drop to minus 7 degrees tonight! :eek:
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Good morning Lady P - it's still pretty cold here this morning, colder than yesterday, but not as windy - at least it's sunny!!
 
Jetboogieman said:
The major difference as I explained before, is that children cannot consent and therefore if a pedophile acts on his desires, he/she harms someone.

With consensual homosexuality between adults this is not the case.
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Fair enough - I'm not arguing that point, just attempting to indicate how society takes a long time to understand and appreciate what is still pretty much a total mystery - that being the brain.
 
X Factor said:
Actually, the tone of this thread was set by the OP. Had this been been presented some way other than as a way to bash Republicans, I'm sure there could have been more unity in bashing exactly who deserves to be bashed. The pedo douche bag.
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Yeah I agree, but when it happens to the Democrats OPs can generally look the same. Or in either case quickly dissolve into meaningless partisan my side is better cheerleaders.
 
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