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    Re: Boehner lashes out at conservative groups on budget deal

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    So your governor is taking some heat over not extending Medicaid..
    IIRC, you said he sucked..He could crack on Medicaid just to pander to the center..The tide's turning Pero .
    I haven't heard about Medicaid, but he is taking heat over other things. He came up with this secure driving license idea. You must show a birth certificate and other documentation to prove you are a citizen and resident of Georgia or naturalization paper or a green card to get a license. This has peeved people off from both parties. The voter ID is no big thing here, again from both parties as the idea started by in the late 90's when our governor was democratic along with the state legislature. So that was pretty much bipartisan at least then up till the time it was passed and before our local democrats got the word from the DNC to oppose it.

    There is a bunch more stuff that has irked the population down here, but it looks like he will win as the Democrats seem intent on running an Atlanta Liberal instead of a more conservative democrat who could beat him. Michelle Nunn is doing just fine and as I said I give her a 50-50 shot.
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    Re: Boehner lashes out at conservative groups on budget deal

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Thats just the "analysis" article, usually they link to the raw data including what people were asked, sample pop and size, etc. Thats where the specifics are explained.
    Like I said, I expected more from Gallup.
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    Re: Boehner lashes out at conservative groups on budget deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Like I said, I expected more from Gallup.
    Thats how they always do it though. Most polling groups dont post raw data, but link to it.

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    Re: Boehner lashes out at conservative groups on budget deal

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Thats how they always do it though. Most polling groups dont post raw data, but link to it.
    I usually use RCP quite a lot to get my polling info. I have noticed most will give you the margin of error and the questions asked and the breakdown. But other just print a narrative and leave it that way. Then there are those who you have to pay or join their site to get the breakdown. Cheap bastards.
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    Re: Boehner lashes out at conservative groups on budget deal

    Tea partiers still don't get it. You're < 10% of the population. You were able to get the mainstream GOP to bow to your demands for a couple years due to populism but now that it has ended in disaster its over.

    You're never going to get the whole U.S. to go along with your plans. You're never going to get a "real" Republican elected to the white house because we're already terrified of RINO's and they're only 1/4 to 1/3 tard.

    Your best bet is to do what you do best, complain and sabotage. Where you all truly shine is wallowing in misery while throwing darts at a picture of Obama in your clubhouse. You can tell tales of how great things would be "if only" to those that will listen.

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    Re: Boehner lashes out at conservative groups on budget deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    Tea partiers still don't get it. You're < 10% of the population. You were able to get the mainstream GOP to bow to your demands for a couple years due to populism but now that it has ended in disaster its over.

    You're never going to get the whole U.S. to go along with your plans. You're never going to get a "real" Republican elected to the white house because we're already terrified of RINO's and they're only 1/4 to 1/3 tard.

    Your best bet is to do what you do best, complain and sabotage. Where you all truly shine is wallowing in misery while throwing darts at a picture of Obama in your clubhouse. You can tell tales of how great things would be "if only" to those that will listen.
    Lets find out together. You are right to be worried about the TEA party.

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    Re: Boehner lashes out at conservative groups on budget deal

    It is not surprising that the critics are attacking the budget deal. Yet, if one looks beyond their rhetoric one finds:

    1. The deal increases discretionary outlays, but also reduces direct spending by extending the sequester for two additional years for affected programs. The end result is that the cumulative federal deficit will be lower than would otherwise be the case. From CBO:

    The legislation also would make several changes in programs that are not funded through annual appropriations, as well as a few changes that would affect federal revenues. In addition, the bill would extend across-the-board cuts (known as sequestration) in certain direct spending programs for an additional two years—2022 and 2023— beyond the period during which sequestration will apply under current law; those additional cuts would be the same percentage of spending required under current law for 2021. CBO and the staff of the Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) estimate that, in total, those provisions would reduce direct spending by about $78 billion and increase revenues by about $7 billion over the 2014-2023 period. Thus, the legislation’s changes in direct spending and revenues would reduce deficits by roughly $85 billion over the next 10 years. Some of those changes also would affect discretionary spending, but such changes would be subject to appropriation and limited under the caps on annually appropriated funding.

    CBO | Bipartisan Budget Act of 2013

    2. The critics did not negotiate, much less conclude a more favorable fiscal deal than the one that was reached between Congressman Ryan and Senator Murray. Words are cheap. Actions matter more. Hence, if one is viewing things through an outcomes lens, Ryan and Murray were able to offer something tangible. The critics engaged in hollow posturing and nothing more.

    3. There was a real need to conclude a deal to avert another self-inflicted government shutdown. Choices have consequences. Choosing to do nothing--as the critics apparently did with their lack of a separate negotiating track and lack of alternative agreement--only increased prospects of a shutdown.

    In the end, the agreement will very likely pass both houses of Congress. While it falls far short of the kind of long-term fiscal consolidation necessary to begin to tackle the nation's long-term imbalances, it offers a small downpayment in that direction and it would avert a self-inflicted government shutdown. It is a victory of governance over posturing and the electorate chooses leaders to govern, not to posture.

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    Re: Boehner lashes out at conservative groups on budget deal

    The budget can only be cut so much at one time. With that said this budget disappoints me. When spending as much as we do there has to be some area we can find to cut more of.....hmmmmm
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    Re: Boehner lashes out at conservative groups on budget deal

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    It is not surprising that the critics are attacking the budget deal. Yet, if one looks beyond their rhetoric one finds:

    1. The deal increases discretionary outlays, but also reduces direct spending by extending the sequester for two additional years for affected programs. The end result is that the cumulative federal deficit will be lower than would otherwise be the case. From CBO:
    They put the tough cuts (for example, from Medicare) in the Out-Years, knowing full well they would be repealed when we got there. This cuts spending only on paper. They will not occur in real life.

    I'm net in favor of this deal, and I understand Ryan et. al. have to sell it, but let's not pretend it's a legitimate deficit decreaser.

    2. The critics did not negotiate, much less conclude a more favorable fiscal deal than the one that was reached between Congressman Ryan and Senator Murray. Words are cheap. Actions matter more. Hence, if one is viewing things through an outcomes lens, Ryan and Murray were able to offer something tangible. The critics engaged in hollow posturing and nothing more.
    That is true. The Venn Diagram Overlap in Congress right now is vanishingly small. This is roughly what could pass (sadly).

    3. There was a real need to conclude a deal to avert another self-inflicted government shutdown. Choices have consequences. Choosing to do nothing--as the critics apparently did with their lack of a separate negotiating track and lack of alternative agreement--only increased prospects of a shutdown.
    The counter to which is that this budget deal keeps us on track for a complete governmental fiscal collapse, which will be much, much worse than a partial temporary shutdown.

    In the end, the agreement will very likely pass both houses of Congress. While it falls far short of the kind of long-term fiscal consolidation necessary to begin to tackle the nation's long-term imbalances, it offers a small downpayment in that direction and it would avert a self-inflicted government shutdown. It is a victory of governance over posturing and the electorate chooses leaders to govern, not to posture.
    ....sort of. If the goal is to use this to get us to a Republican Congress and Presidency that can actually run on and put through entitlement reform.... yes.

    I'm willing to trust Ryan on that.

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    Re: Boehner lashes out at conservative groups on budget deal

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    They put the tough cuts (for example, from Medicare) in the Out-Years, knowing full well they would be repealed when we got there. This cuts spending only on paper. They will not occur in real life.

    I'm net in favor of this deal, and I understand Ryan et. al. have to sell it, but let's not pretend it's a legitimate deficit decreaser.



    That is true. The Venn Diagram Overlap in Congress right now is vanishingly small. This is roughly what could pass (sadly).



    The counter to which is that this budget deal keeps us on track for a complete governmental fiscal collapse, which will be much, much worse than a partial temporary shutdown.



    ....sort of. If the goal is to use this to get us to a Republican Congress and Presidency that can actually run on and put through entitlement reform.... yes.

    I'm willing to trust Ryan on that.
    They say politics is the art of the possible. The art is this deal is probably the only one that could pass both the house and the senate, hopefully as it isn't a done deal yet. I do get tired of both sides trying to push the impossible on each other. We shall see.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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