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    Re: Boehner lashes out at conservative groups on budget deal

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    I do..I'm in a far different "state teacher's account" than your "federal military account", but I'm in the same sinking public pension boat with you..

    I make 75% of my average pay of my last 4 years..We had an ERO which let me out at 55-YOA and a 20% increase of pay the last two years..
    Is that sustainable, HELL NO..Can I afford lowering it to say 60%, like Vermont,
    which just went up from 50% with two more years of teaching, HELL YES..
    It's silly for people to tell me to send back my money..It only works if all one million of us in Illinois do that..

    Will the public feel sorry for a person who retired at 37-YOA after 20 years--not from what I'm hearing across-the-board..
    Cutting back the percentage we get is the only way to bail these pensions out in the short term..
    It's time for us to get pro-active before someone pulls a Detroit on us .
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    Re: Boehner lashes out at conservative groups on budget deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I wonder who they are. Then if they are:

    Tea Party Favorability Falls to Lowest Yet

    Whats interesting about that data is the "shut down" does not appear to have harmed the TEA party (keeping in mind they aren't a party), however the % that oppose the TEA party has dropped significantly.

    Thats a bit counter to the narrative.

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    Re: Boehner lashes out at conservative groups on budget deal

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    We need to let Boehner and Ryan know that we support them..

    As partisan as I can be, I'll remind you of the hopeful epiphany I've had with the Pope..
    Just heard that McConnell and Cornyn are voting No over either sequestration or the final budget well over sequestration numbers..


    Boehner's had it with these kind of ****-heads who are being interviewed right now on MSNBC..
    McConnell is scared to death he may lose his seat. Cook has Kentucky as a toss up state. Like I said, I won't shed any tears if he loses.
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    Re: Boehner lashes out at conservative groups on budget deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Where is there ANY evidence that we're planning on taking any steps forward? We spent since 2002 playing nice with Democrats who packed every Defense Authorization bill with additional spending and when our spineless "plan" handed the Democrats both houses they only packed more crap down our throats. Then 2010 came around and we made a little headway but since then the GOP fat cats have been slinking into the corner saying "I'm sorry" every time someone points out the futility of the status quo.

    We didn't want the sequester but it was better to get something than nothing so we took that tiny win but now Ryan is handing it back PLUS other concessions. The basics of negotiation are to establish a win/win or you don't make a deal, not "take it up the poop chute until I make bottom bitch".

    We capitulated in 2008 with McCain and then doubled down on that in 2012 with Romney and what have we gained? Tell me where all this "Mr Nice Guy" crap has paid off? Do you not have a freaking clue as to who we're dealing with? The Democrats HATE Capitalism and HATE individualism. They don't want independence and it's not just that they don't want it for themselves, they want it for you and me too!! They're willing to go to damned near any length to insure that we are all beholden to some central government for our wants and needs but for some ridiculous reason the "moderates' are sitting there saying "let's just play nice now".

    You need to understand that these bastards have watched as a knife was stuck in the back of the American people and now they're trying to say that if we stop bitching about the pain they'll run and get us a bandaid.
    It is your call buddy, do what you must.
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    Re: Boehner lashes out at conservative groups on budget deal

    How is giving up 20% of my retirement only caring about myself??
    Do you think the administrators, who make twice as much as I do in retirement, would give back 20%??
    How much is enough to the greedy Public Pensioneers who don't need it all or all of it??
    Compare to the lowly paid Public Pensioneers like my Mom .
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    Re: Boehner lashes out at conservative groups on budget deal

    McConnell can't win tacking to the right..I thought he was wiser than that..
    His state of Kentucky led by Gov. Beshear will have some back-bite from a working PPACA..
    And then it will be time to run Paul out of town in 2016 .
    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    McConnell is scared to death he may lose his seat. Cook has Kentucky as a toss up state. Like I said, I won't shed any tears if he loses.
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    Re: Boehner lashes out at conservative groups on budget deal

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    McConnell can't win tacking to the right..I thought he was wiser than that..
    His state of Kentucky led by Gov. Beshear will have some back-bite from a working PPACA..
    And then it will be time to run Paul out of town in 2016 .
    When I worked at LBAD, Lexington Bluegrass Army Depot Kentucky was mostly Democratic. It would take someone like Jim Bunning to win a statewide race. But like Georgia, I do not Kentucky is a deep a red as everyone makes them out to be.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Boehner lashes out at conservative groups on budget deal

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Whats interesting about that data is the "shut down" does not appear to have harmed the TEA party (keeping in mind they aren't a party), however the % that oppose the TEA party has dropped significantly.

    Thats a bit counter to the narrative.
    You got a point there. I looked at the graph and left it at that. The graph shows 30% favorable 51% unfavorable. But the narrative says For the first time, a slim majority of Americans say they have an unfavorable opinion of the Tea Party movement. About one-third view the movement favorably, a new low. A smaller percentage, 22%, in a separate question identify themselves as supporters of the movement, while 24% describe themselves as opponents. Nearly half (48%) are neutral.

    So I take 24% of the people are opponents of the tea party while 51% view them unfavorable. 24% are supporters of the movement while 30% view them favorable and 48% are neutral but if one adds up 30 and 51 you come out with 81 which only leaves 19% who can be neutral or in the I don't know category.

    So this thing is confusing, I expected more from Gallup.
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    Re: Boehner lashes out at conservative groups on budget deal

    So your governor is taking some heat over not extending Medicaid..
    IIRC, you said he sucked..He could crack on Medicaid just to pander to the center..The tide's turning Pero .
    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    When I worked at LBAD, Lexington Bluegrass Army Depot Kentucky was mostly Democratic. It would take someone like Jim Bunning to win a statewide race. But like Georgia, I do not Kentucky is a deep a red as everyone makes them out to be.
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    Re: Boehner lashes out at conservative groups on budget deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    You got a point there. I looked at the graph and left it at that. The graph shows 30% favorable 51% unfavorable. But the narrative says For the first time, a slim majority of Americans say they have an unfavorable opinion of the Tea Party movement. About one-third view the movement favorably, a new low. A smaller percentage, 22%, in a separate question identify themselves as supporters of the movement, while 24% describe themselves as opponents. Nearly half (48%) are neutral.

    So I take 24% of the people are opponents of the tea party while 51% view them unfavorable. 24% are supporters of the movement while 30% view them favorable and 48% are neutral but if one adds up 30 and 51 you come out with 81 which only leaves 19% who can be neutral or in the I don't know category.

    So this thing is confusing, I expected more from Gallup.
    Thats just the "analysis" article, usually they link to the raw data including what people were asked, sample pop and size, etc. Thats where the specifics are explained.

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