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    Re: Boehner lashes out at conservative groups on budget deal

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    Re: Boehner lashes out at conservative groups on budget deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    So for the sake of easy political capital we should allow this crap to get shoved down our throat? Not as far as I'm concerned!!

    What we need is a few Congressmen and Senators to clearly spell out to the American people what a heap of donkey dung this "deal" is. They need to spell it out and keep spelling it out until people start catching on.

    That won't be easy to do but if we're all just going to keep on taking the easy road we damned well better be prepared to wallow around in the slop we created.
    Sometimes it is better to take two steps back so in the future you can take three or more steps forward. What good would another shutdown accomplish, a shutdown where the GOP would come out looking like obstructionist. Do you remember the last one where the GOP was at their lowest point ever with just 20% of the electorate identifying with them. You won't elect many representatives and senators let alone a president with that kind of number.

    The Republicans need to learn when and where to pick their battles. The last one over defunding the ACA was dumb. It had no chance of winning, all it took is one look across to the other side of the Capital building where a Democratic controlled senate sat. If that wasn't enough, a quick glance at the White House would have affirmed that. Wrong time and wrong thing to shut the government down over.

    Pick and choose your battles, the question is how many times are you willing to fall on your sword in battles you have no chance of winning? Regroup, resupply, get some fresh troops like taking back the senate and enter the next frays, battles with more on your side
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Boehner lashes out at conservative groups on budget deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Boehner needs to pay attention.


    Conservative Hill Analysis Slams Murray-Ryan Deal | National Review Online

    That highlighted one in particular isn't going to look real good with his stamp of approval on it. (not that the other stuff isn't equally damning)
    No one cares if we lose our retirement man. They really don't. We can't say anything about it either and the Sec Def, who I do like, is still a puppet who won't really put up a fight about this. This is just the beginning.
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    Re: Boehner lashes out at conservative groups on budget deal

    nothing more fun that watching the cannibals turn upon each other.
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    Re: Boehner lashes out at conservative groups on budget deal

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Isn't it exciting for you as an Ohioan to see Boehner slap these guys down led by ex-Sen. DeMint down..
    It is better for the Nation for the GOP civil war to end right this present moment..(Christmas Prayer)
    DeMint is a Tea Party favorite who left Congress in January to head the Heritage Foundation. I'm not sure whose side he is on at this point! He often clashed with the Party leadership while he was in Congress, so is this a payback? If he's trying to make a point, he's going about it wrong, IMO!

    Personally, I like Boehner, but I sure don't envy him his job! He's being forced to not only defend his Party against the Democrats, but also against some in his own Party! How would you like that? Would Cantor be an improvement? I don't think so! :

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    Re: Boehner lashes out at conservative groups on budget deal

    I do..I'm in a far different "state teacher's account" than your "federal military account", but I'm in the same sinking public pension boat with you..
    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    No one cares if we lose our retirement man. They really don't. We can't say anything about it either and the Sec Def, who I do like, is still a puppet who won't really put up a fight about this. This is just the beginning.
    I make 75% of my average pay of my last 4 years..We had an ERO which let me out at 55-YOA and a 20% increase of pay the last two years..
    Is that sustainable, HELL NO..Can I afford lowering it to say 60%, like Vermont,
    which just went up from 50% with two more years of teaching, HELL YES..
    It's silly for people to tell me to send back my money..It only works if all one million of us in Illinois do that..

    Will the public feel sorry for a person who retired at 37-YOA after 20 years--not from what I'm hearing across-the-board..
    Cutting back the percentage we get is the only way to bail these pensions out in the short term..
    It's time for us to get pro-active before someone pulls a Detroit on us .
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    Re: Boehner lashes out at conservative groups on budget deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Sometimes it is better to take two steps back so in the future you can take three or more steps forward. What good would another shutdown accomplish, a shutdown where the GOP would come out looking like obstructionist. Do you remember the last one where the GOP was at their lowest point ever with just 20% of the electorate identifying with them. You won't elect many representatives and senators let alone a president with that kind of number.

    The Republicans need to learn when and where to pick their battles. The last one over defunding the ACA was dumb. It had no chance of winning, all it took is one look across to the other side of the Capital building where a Democratic controlled senate sat. If that wasn't enough, a quick glance at the White House would have affirmed that. Wrong time and wrong thing to shut the government down over.

    Pick and choose your battles, the question is how many times are you willing to fall on your sword in battles you have no chance of winning? Regroup, resupply, get some fresh troops like taking back the senate and enter the next frays, battles with more on your side
    Where is there ANY evidence that we're planning on taking any steps forward? We spent since 2002 playing nice with Democrats who packed every Defense Authorization bill with additional spending and when our spineless "plan" handed the Democrats both houses they only packed more crap down our throats. Then 2010 came around and we made a little headway but since then the GOP fat cats have been slinking into the corner saying "I'm sorry" every time someone points out the futility of the status quo.

    We didn't want the sequester but it was better to get something than nothing so we took that tiny win but now Ryan is handing it back PLUS other concessions. The basics of negotiation are to establish a win/win or you don't make a deal, not "take it up the poop chute until I make bottom bitch".

    We capitulated in 2008 with McCain and then doubled down on that in 2012 with Romney and what have we gained? Tell me where all this "Mr Nice Guy" crap has paid off? Do you not have a freaking clue as to who we're dealing with? The Democrats HATE Capitalism and HATE individualism. They don't want independence and it's not just that they don't want it for themselves, they want it for you and me too!! They're willing to go to damned near any length to insure that we are all beholden to some central government for our wants and needs but for some ridiculous reason the "moderates' are sitting there saying "let's just play nice now".

    You need to understand that these bastards have watched as a knife was stuck in the back of the American people and now they're trying to say that if we stop bitching about the pain they'll run and get us a bandaid.

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    Re: Boehner lashes out at conservative groups on budget deal

    We need to let Boehner and Ryan know that we support them..
    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Perhaps you. I know a lot of Republicans and Democrats that due. But way too many now residing in Washington D.C. only care about their party or as in the case of the tea party, their own little faction in the midst of a larger party. Most politicians that I know regardless of party want a strong and vibrant America for years, decades, centuries to come. It is only how we get there that is where the differences lie. Path A or path B.
    As partisan as I can be, I'll remind you of the hopeful epiphany I've had with the Pope..
    Just heard that McConnell and Cornyn are voting No over either sequestration or the final budget well over sequestration numbers..

    But so many in D.C. now put America way behind their political party or faction within a political party.
    America and her future has become the 26th priority out of 25.
    Boehner's had it with these kind of ****-heads who are being interviewed right now on MSNBC..
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    Re: Boehner lashes out at conservative groups on budget deal

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    DeMint is a Tea Party favorite who left Congress in January to head the Heritage Foundation. I'm not sure whose side he is on at this point!
    DeMint is on his own side..
    He often clashed with the Party leadership while he was in Congress, so is this a payback?
    Though the GOP fissures are large, there are ones in the Dem. party flying under the radar..
    Personally, I like Boehner, but I sure don't envy him his job!
    When Boehner gets pissed like he did today, I love him..
    He's being forced to not only defend his Party against the Democrats
    Now what would we Dems be doing against John??
    but also against some in his own Party!
    Those are the guys that need to be nuked, or droned..
    Would Cantor be an improvement? I don't think so! :
    Cantor is who I credit the most for where we are today, but that's my opinion..
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    Re: Boehner lashes out at conservative groups on budget deal

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    DeMint is on his own side..Though the GOP fissures are large, there are ones in the Dem. party flying under the radar.. When Boehner gets pissed like he did today, I love him.. Now what would we Dems be doing against John?? Those are the guys that need to be nuked, or droned.. Cantor is who I credit the most for where we are today, but that's my opinion..


    She is doing great, always steady, faith, teacher, everybody loves her..Me, not always so much .
    It usually takes a lot to P*** an Ohioan off, and that's good, because it's not something most people expect, since we're usually fairly even-tempered, and easy to get along with! We do expect fair play at all times, though, and I suspect the lack of same was what finally did it for Boehner! : P.S. I love him, too!

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