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    Re: Boehner lashes out at conservative groups on budget deal

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Well, no. But it would likely ruin the momentum they've gained from Obamacare's continued failures. We'd be back to a baseline.



    That's the big selling point to me as well - this is how we keep our eye on the final prize. It just sucks in the mean time.



    Agreed. There are going to be lots of people, money, and media desperate to put the focus somewhere - anywhere - else.
    exactly and then we wait until February if this deal is passed for the debt ceiling debate to begin.
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    Re: Boehner lashes out at conservative groups on budget deal

    Boehner needs to pay attention.

    Analysis of the Ryan/Murray Spending Package

    –It boosts spending right now, a total of $71 billion over the next two years—$63 billion in new discretionary spending, and $8 billion for a 3-month extension of the doc fix.

    –The deficit increases under the Ryan/Murray plan for at least the next 3 years. Net deficit reduction would not begin until FY2017, after President Obama leaves office.

    –It is not “paid for” over the Budget Control Act (BCA) window of 2014-2021, eroding the $2.1 trillion in spending cuts that were achieved in the BCA in exchange for the $2.1 trillion debt ceiling increase in 2011.

    –Under the Ryan/Murray package, claimed savings during the BCA period come predominately from fee/revenue increases rather than lower spending. So, it doesn’t reduce government, but rather enables a larger government.

    –About half of the $85 billion in “savings” in Ryan/Murray are achieved in 2022-2023, after the BCA period ends. Most of those savings are from the continuation of policies not included in the baseline, so are the result of baseline games rather than genuine reforms of bankrupt entitlements.

    –Accounting for interest costs, which are higher near-term because of the new spending endorsed in the Ryan/Murray package, net reduction in the debt is no more than $15 billion in 10 years. The $23 billion in deficit reduction claimed by Ryan/Murray does not include interest costs.

    –The Ryan/Murray package raids certain Federal trust funds, employing policies that should be used for fixing programs and possible deficit reduction instead for higher spending, like federal retirement contributions changes.

    This bill reduces retirement benefits for current military members and retirees—who gave 20 or more years of service—but spares current federal civilian employees from any changes to their retirement benefits.

    –It wipes out the need for a budget resolution in 2015, allowing Senate Democrats to again avoid taking hard votes on budget issues on the Senate floor. And, with all the reserve funds included in the Ryan/Murray package, it allows Harry Reid and Senate Democrats the chance to duck votes on Budget Act points of order against specific bills.
    Conservative Hill Analysis Slams Murray-Ryan Deal | National Review Online

    That highlighted one in particular isn't going to look real good with his stamp of approval on it. (not that the other stuff isn't equally damning)

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    Re: Boehner lashes out at conservative groups on budget deal

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Agreed. Only time will tell how they look after giving up without a fight because they don't want to look bad. Wrong quality of the dems to emulate, spinelessness.
    We will see what happens, but as of the moment the Republicans have the momentum heading into next years elections. They need to keep it if they hope to regain the senate. A shutdown would hand that momentum back to the Democrats. Myself, I would like to have seen the sequester stay and I am sure most Democrats would have loved to see the GOP backs stiffin and fight for the sequester via another shut down. But that is a losing proposition for the Republicans and most know it.
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    Re: Boehner lashes out at conservative groups on budget deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I wonder who they are. Then if they are:

    Tea Party Favorability Falls to Lowest Yet
    Pero, I don't agree with the TP on trying to "primary" out those that voted for the shutdown! Wrong thinking, IMO, when the big picture is considered! Don't they see this? :

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    Re: Boehner lashes out at conservative groups on budget deal

    Isn't it exciting for you as an Ohioan to see Boehner slap these guys down led by ex-Sen. DeMint down..
    It is better for the Nation for the GOP civil war to end right this present moment..(Christmas Prayer)
    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Pero, I don't agree with the TP on trying to "primary" out those that voted for the shutdown! Wrong thinking, IMO, when the big picture is considered! Don't they see this? :
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    Re: Boehner lashes out at conservative groups on budget deal

    Sorry you are free to have your opinion but the fact is the Tea Party Republican is much closer to the republican of old then the RINO is today, the Republican in Name Only is nothing other than liberal / democrat lite. We don't need that, but the fact is the conservative wing of the party can't win this battle thanks to a lame stream media that is all too eager to take the eyes off ofailure care and apply them to a Republican party that shuts the govt down. Sadly the Republicans, the real one's, need to STFU and take this on on the chin otherwise they stand to change the landscape for next November when they can make ofailure out to be a lame duck for 2 years with a House and Senate full of real conservatives.


    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    That's where we differ. I call the Tea Party types RINO's. Who you call RINO's are republican's that are acting like republican's have acted for years, long before the rightwingnut movement came to be. You cannot just hijack the party and lay claim to the label "republican" as if it were your own, because it is not. In fact, I'd venture to say, in the republican party, you guys are the minority. Anyone from the GOP not agreeing with you, you call a RINO. You guys are the real RINO's. They were here first. Why don't you start your own party and let Republican's be?

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    Re: Boehner lashes out at conservative groups on budget deal

    By next November, all factions of the GOP will be SOL on PPACA..
    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    We will see what happens, but as of the moment the Republicans have the momentum heading into next years elections. They need to keep it if they hope to regain the senate.
    There's a good article out there on five GOP Senators getting primaried..As Matthews just said, McConnell needs to go for this Bevin's throat, and let the chips fall..
    A shutdown would hand that momentum back to the Democrats.
    Repubs will want a "win", so we could have a problem with the raising of the debt..
    Myself, I would like to have seen the sequester stay and I am sure most Democrats would have loved to see the GOP backs stiffin and fight for the sequester via another shut down.
    We care more about our Nation than this Pero..
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    Re: Boehner lashes out at conservative groups on budget deal

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Pero, I don't agree with the TP on trying to "primary" out those that voted for the shutdown! Wrong thinking, IMO, when the big picture is considered! Don't they see this? :
    Apparently not, sometimes it takes experience along with the school of hard knocks. I remember back in 1964 campaigning and voting for Barry Goldwater. There were quite a lot of people who told me he couldn't win, that the Republicans needed to nominate someone who could win. But I wouldn't listen, none of us Goldwater supporters would listen. We celebrated big time when he won the California Primary and then the nomination. We were totally unprepared for the election results that November.

    I learned, so too should the tea party have learned from their Aiken, Mourdock, Angle, O'Donnell nominations that cost senate seats. Apparently not.
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    Re: Boehner lashes out at conservative groups on budget deal

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    By next November, all factions of the GOP will be SOL on PPACA..There's a good article out there on five GOP Senators getting primaried..As Matthews just said, McConnell needs to go for this Bevin's throat, and let the chips fall.. Repubs will want a "win", so we could have a problem with the raising of the debt..We care more about our Nation than this Pero..
    Perhaps you. I know a lot of Republicans and Democrats that due. But way too many now residing in Washington D.C. only care about their party or as in the case of the tea party, their own little faction in the midst of a larger party. Most politicians that I know regardless of party want a strong and vibrant America for years, decades, centuries to come. It is only how we get there that is where the differences lie. Path A or path B.

    But so many in D.C. now put America way behind their political party or faction within a political party. America and her future has become the 26th priority out of 25.
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    Re: Boehner lashes out at conservative groups on budget deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    We will see what happens, but as of the moment the Republicans have the momentum heading into next years elections. They need to keep it if they hope to regain the senate. A shutdown would hand that momentum back to the Democrats. Myself, I would like to have seen the sequester stay and I am sure most Democrats would have loved to see the GOP backs stiffin and fight for the sequester via another shut down. But that is a losing proposition for the Republicans and most know it.
    So for the sake of easy political capital we should allow this crap to get shoved down our throat? Not as far as I'm concerned!!

    What we need is a few Congressmen and Senators to clearly spell out to the American people what a heap of donkey dung this "deal" is. They need to spell it out and keep spelling it out until people start catching on.

    That won't be easy to do but if we're all just going to keep on taking the easy road we damned well better be prepared to wallow around in the slop we created.

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