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    Re: Boehner lashes out at conservative groups on budget deal

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    More likely that Boehner is headed for the dustbin after the 2014 election. What surprises me is that the House republicans have allowed him to keep the position for this long.
    Because it makes life pretty easy for them when they have a responsible guy they can criticize for making government work while they can demagogue to win their tea party base. If he was REALLY as unpopular on the right as you are led to believe he'd be gone. There's only one thing the Reps in Congress fear more than their Tea Party base...that Tea Party actions will cause massive damage to the country and the Republican brand
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    Re: Boehner lashes out at conservative groups on budget deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Not a fan of current congresses attempting to get savings by pushing something out a decade from now....basically relying on the notion that future congresses will actually stick to the plan as opposed to changing it themselves. I was a critic when the Obama Admin tries using these things to justify their "cost cutting" measures in the past by backloading everything to a point in time when they wouldn't be in office and couldn't guarantee they'd actually happen....and I'm a critic of it here.

    I like the idea of trying to get some stability through 2015. I'd be willing to see the Sequester cuts reduced a small portion in order to get that stability. But a seemingly 2/3rds reduction in the sequester amount offset by cuts 10 years down the line is not a reasonable or rational compromise to me. Not when we've seen, time and time again, that you can't trust ANY party when they proclaim plans for that far into the future.
    That's EXACTLY right.

    The sequester was supposed to be a fixed deal but this...not even a year later, scuttles it.

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    Boehner lashes out at conservative groups on budget deal

    Boehner lashes out at conservative groups on budget deal - NBC Politics

    "They're using our members and they're using the American people for their own goals," an animated Boehner told reporters at the Capitol. "This is ridiculous.
    Ante = upped!


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    Re: Boehner lashes out at conservative groups on budget deal

    Word is even McConnel might be voting against it.

    Which, it should be pointed out, still allows it to pass. The big names will oppose it, and enough Republicans will join with enough Democrats to see it pass.

    I find both the criticisms (that Republicans are trading away Sequestration for basically nothing) and William Kristols' argument here compelling.

    ...From the point of view of politics, the budget deal is a significant achievement. It averts a meltdown scenario next month, in which it would have become clear that House Republicans don't in fact have the votes in their own conference to insist on the budget caps and sequester. So the real alternative to the deal isn't a more fiscally conservative outcome achieved by Republican unity; it's GOP political disarray and policy defeat. The deal saves Republicans from this fate, while allowing for a focus throughout the next year and in the 2014 election season on Obamacare and other Obama administration failures, rather than on intra-GOP wars and possible government shutdowns....

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    Re: Boehner lashes out at conservative groups on budget deal

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Word is even McConnel might be voting against it.

    Which, it should be pointed out, still allows it to pass. The big names will oppose it, and enough Republicans will join with enough Democrats to see it pass.

    I find both the criticisms (that Republicans are trading away Sequestration for basically nothing) and William Kristols' argument here compelling.

    I agree with him, which may surprise you. Though I'm less concerned with how the Repubs look and more concerned with the fact that the deal, while not the most wonderful thing you could think of, beats the hell out of playing political chicken every few months.


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    Re: Boehner lashes out at conservative groups on budget deal

    I wonder who they are. Then if they are:

    Tea Party Favorability Falls to Lowest Yet
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Boehner lashes out at conservative groups on budget deal

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I agree with him, which may surprise you. Though I'm less concerned with how the Repubs look and more concerned with the fact that the deal, while not the most wonderful thing you could think of, beats the hell out of playing political chicken every few months.
    The deal among Republicans was that you weren't supposed to give up Sequestration without a replacement, significant, long term reform. This bill does not do that, but does give up Sequestration. That is a bad trade, and keeps us on the road to a much worse story than a budget fight.

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    Re: Boehner lashes out at conservative groups on budget deal

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Word is even McConnel might be voting against it.

    Which, it should be pointed out, still allows it to pass. The big names will oppose it, and enough Republicans will join with enough Democrats to see it pass.

    I find both the criticisms (that Republicans are trading away Sequestration for basically nothing) and William Kristols' argument here compelling.
    Another shutdown would basically destroy 2014 for the Republicans. The Democrats know this and had them basically where they wanted them. This probably was the best deal possible. Sometimes it is better to retreat a bit in order to fight another day with an eye on the big prize next November, The senate. Then there is the ACA.

    If you remember last October the gap closed from 14-19 points in opposition to the ACA down to 4-10 points because of the shutdown. Now that gap is just getting back to where it was, another shut down may guarantee that law is here to stay. The Republicans will have to be adept not to fall into one of the pitfalls or Democratic Party trap between now and next November.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Boehner lashes out at conservative groups on budget deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Another shutdown would basically destroy 2014 for the Republicans
    Well, no. But it would likely ruin the momentum they've gained from Obamacare's continued failures. We'd be back to a baseline.

    The Democrats know this and had them basically where they wanted them. This probably was the best deal possible. Sometimes it is better to retreat a bit in order to fight another day with an eye on the big prize next November, The senate. Then there is the ACA.
    That's the big selling point to me as well - this is how we keep our eye on the final prize. It just sucks in the mean time.

    If you remember last October the gap closed from 14-19 points in opposition to the ACA down to 4-10 points because of the shutdown. Now that gap is just getting back to where it was, another shut down may guarantee that law is here to stay. The Republicans will have to be adept not to fall into one of the pitfalls or Democratic Party trap between now and next November.
    Agreed. There are going to be lots of people, money, and media desperate to put the focus somewhere - anywhere - else.

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    Re: Boehner lashes out at conservative groups on budget deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Another shutdown would basically destroy 2014 for the Republicans. The Democrats know this and had them basically where they wanted them. This probably was the best deal possible. Sometimes it is better to retreat a bit in order to fight another day with an eye on the big prize next November, The senate. Then there is the ACA.

    If you remember last October the gap closed from 14-19 points in opposition to the ACA down to 4-10 points because of the shutdown. Now that gap is just getting back to where it was, another shut down may guarantee that law is here to stay. The Republicans will have to be adept not to fall into one of the pitfalls or Democratic Party trap between now and next November.
    Agreed. Only time will tell how they look after giving up without a fight because they don't want to look bad. Wrong quality of the dems to emulate, spinelessness.

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