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rocket88 said:
Statism:



Yes, I believe in the sovereignty of the United States of America. The question is why you don't.
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Are we speaking the same language? The left certainly does love to hide behind words, dont they?

stat·ism
ˈstātˌizəm/Submit
noun
1.
a political system in which the state has substantial centralized control over social and economic affairs.
"the rise of authoritarian statism"
 
US Conservative said:
Are we speaking the same language? The left certainly does love to hide behind words, dont they?
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The right does certainly love to create strawmen, to tell liberals what they believe and then use that as a cudgel, don't they?
 
Kobie said:
The right does certainly love to create strawmen, to tell liberals what they believe and then use that as a cudgel, don't they?
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Its amazing, even with a blatant lie on the meaning of the word directly in front of you.
You guys do it because if you were honest you'd be laughed out of the room. ;)
 
US Conservative said:
Its amazing, even with a blatant lie on the meaning of the word directly in front of you.
You guys do it because if you were honest you'd be laughed out of the room. ;)
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You continuously brand liberals with labels like "statist" because it makes it easier for you guys to dishonestly demonize them.
 
Kobie said:
You continuously brand liberals with labels like "statist" because it makes it easier for you guys to dishonestly demonize them.
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Stop hiding-leftists generally advocate an increase in state power, and believe not in the supremacy of the individual but the state.
 
US Conservative said:
Are we speaking the same language? The left certainly does love to hide behind words, dont they?

stat·ism
ˈstātˌizəm/Submit
noun
1.
a political system in which the state has substantial centralized control over social and economic affairs.
"the rise of authoritarian statism"
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Can you link to where you got that definition from please? Every place I checked had significantly more complete and somewhat different definitions.
 
US Conservative said:
Its amazing, even with a blatant lie on the meaning of the word directly in front of you.
You guys do it because if you were honest you'd be laughed out of the room. ;)
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There's at least 2 meanings to the word. I prefer mine.

Why don't you believe in the sovereignty of the United States?
 
US Conservative said:
Are we speaking the same language? The left certainly does love to hide behind words, dont they?

stat·ism
ˈstātˌizəm/Submit
noun
1.
a political system in which the state has substantial centralized control over social and economic affairs.
"the rise of authoritarian statism"
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Seems like you're the one hiding behind words. You keep saying "statist" hoping it will stick.
 
Redress said:
Can you link to where you got that definition from please? Every place I checked had significantly more complete and somewhat different definitions.
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https://www.google.com/search?q=def...j4&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8

Or you can type in "define statism" in google-first thing that pops up is this, are you disputing it?

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http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/statism
Definition of STATISM

: concentration of economic controls and planning in the hands of a highly centralized government often extending to government ownership of industry

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statism
In political science, statism (French: étatisme) is the belief that the state should control either economic or social policy, or both, to some degree.[1][2][3][4] Statism is effectively the opposite of anarchism

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/statism
stat·ism (sttzm)
n.
The practice or doctrine of giving a centralized government control over economic planning and policy.


And just for you...

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rocket88 said:
Seems like you're the one hiding behind words. You keep saying "statist" hoping it will stick.
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Seems like you are incapable of that fairly straightforward distinction. :2razz:

Statist-
statist [ˈsteɪtɪst]
n
1. (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) an advocate of statism
2. (Mathematics & Measurements / Statistics) a less common name for a statistician
3. (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) Archaic a politician or statesman
adj
(Government, Politics & Diplomacy) of, characteristic of, advocating, or relating to statism
Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003
 
rocket88 said:
There's at least 2 meanings to the word. I prefer mine.

Why don't you believe in the sovereignty of the United States?
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Instead of going with the intended word/ideology-you choose what you "prefer".
You guys do this to yourselves, this exchange could be an orwell passage.
 
US Conservative said:
https://www.google.com/search?q=def...j4&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8

Or you can type in "define statism" in google-first thing that pops up is this, are you disputing it?

More....all the top results.



Statism - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
Definition of STATISM

: concentration of economic controls and planning in the hands of a highly centralized government often extending to government ownership of industry

Statism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In political science, statism (French: étatisme) is the belief that the state should control either economic or social policy, or both, to some degree.[1][2][3][4] Statism is effectively the opposite of anarchism

statism - definition of statism by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.
stat·ism (sttzm)
n.
The practice or doctrine of giving a centralized government control over economic planning and policy.


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Amazing how much more there is to statism than you tried to present. It is particularly telling that you cut off the wiki definition right before it mentioned minarchism, which is by definition statism and disproves your premise.
 
Redress said:
Amazing how much more there is to statism than you tried to present. It is particularly telling that you cut off the wiki definition right before it mentioned minarchism, which is by definition statism and disproves your premise.
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Once again, all possible definitions of statism isnt the point-the point was the concept I intended to discuss(despite your attempt to obfuscate).

So instead of picking the intended definition even after clarification you decide you are going to go with your "preferred" definition. :roll:
There is some psychopathy being displayed here. You can't even debate in a direct matter-you prefer to hide behind words.
 
Redress said:
Amazing how much more there is to statism than you tried to present. It is particularly telling that you cut off the wiki definition right before it mentioned minarchism, which is by definition statism and disproves your premise.
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I just posted 4 different sources for the SAME definition I intended to discuss. Continue to dance, it can only make your point. :lol:
 
US Conservative said:
I just posted 4 different sources for the SAME definition I intended to discuss. Continue to dance, it can only make your point. :lol:
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I think you might want to look up the definition of the word "same" too, since somewhat different, which is what the definitions are, is not the same thing as "the SAME".

Any discussion of statism and what it is must include things like minarchism. You don't just get to ignore things inconvenient to your claims.
 
Redress said:
I think you might want to look up the definition of the word "same" too, since somewhat different, which is what the definitions are, is not the same thing as "the SAME".

Any discussion of statism and what it is must include things like minarchism. You don't just get to ignore things inconvenient to your claims.
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Ah, so now you are the dictionary dictator. I like it.
 
US Conservative said:
Even your definition of "beats you" is wrong. :lol:
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No, I identified what you where trying to do and stopped it. Since you cannot argue issues, what you do is try and assign a label to people, then argue against an extreme position of that label. It would be the equivalent of me saying that since you are against abortion rights(assuming you are, this is just an example), then therefor you are "pro-life". Some pro-life people bomb abortion clinics. Therefore you are a terrorist. It is a stupid argument. Your premise fails further since a statist is simply one who believes in some level of central state control. This includes liberals, conservatives and most libertarians, not to mention greens, socialists and virtually every other group. More than likely, you are a statist.
 
US Conservative said:
Stop hiding-leftists generally advocate an increase in state power, and believe not in the supremacy of the individual but the state.
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and the right wing wants government to dictate morals as well. Only the libertarians are truly pro liberty and individual choice.
 
Dittohead not! said:
LOL! I remember that. Didn't the broccoli growers dump a truck load of the stuff on the white house lawn in protest?
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Maybe...I don't recall that part. Kind of childish really. The man didn't like eating broccoli. So what? It's not like he wanted to make it illegal, he just didn't want to eat it.
 
rocket88 said:
Maybe...I don't recall that part. Kind of childish really. The man didn't like eating broccoli. So what? It's not like he wanted to make it illegal, he just didn't want to eat it.
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A statement like that from the POTUS can influence people to not eat the stuff and thus depress the market and cost growers money. It's not like the president has as much power as, say for example, Oprah, but people do tend to take what he says seriously even when what he says is not meant that way.
 
Dittohead not! said:
A statement like that from the POTUS can influence people to not eat the stuff and thus depress the market and cost growers money. It's not like the president has as much power as, say for example, Oprah, but people do tend to take what he says seriously even when what he says is not meant that way.
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Wasn't it Hillary that said she didn't like broccoli? I seem to remember broccoli futures crashed right after that.
 
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