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Obama shakes hands with Cuba's Castro in 'gesture of hope'

Grant said:
Yes a lot of the dangers are coming from within, and not a great many people realize it. Armed EPA raid in Alaska sheds light on 70 fed agencies with armed divisions | Fox News

Like many I was at first against Snowden but am now realizing he may have made a major contribution to the continuation and maintenance of US rights and freedoms.
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Yes true. And even within the Democratic Party there has been acknowledgement that the material that Snowden has released hasn't threatened national security or given any terrorists a leg up. What it has done is exposed wrong doing on the part of the NSA, embarrassed them and put the agency in a defensive and damage control mode. And hopefully everyone concerned will help in their tiny or huge way, depending on who they are and what their access, power, influence etc. is, continue to put pressure (Jim Sensenbrenner) on those who alone have both the authority and means to align the NSA with the constitution, and not with corporate or whatever other interests there may be for having veered from that in the first place.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
Those left wing Communist sites are worthless dribble.
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Sure, all news comes from Fox. :0)

Those sites also say the US imprisons more of its citizens than any nation on planet earth. Maybe Fox tells you something different. :0)
 
BlackAsCoal said:
Sure, all news comes from Fox. :0)

Those sites also say the US imprisons more of its citizens than any nation on planet earth. Maybe Fox tells you something different. :0)
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Is it important why people are imprisoned or is it just the number that is important?
 
Ad_Captandum said:
Do you have any evidence, or am I just supposed to believe you that the image I see plainly is not real?
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It was all over the place when the idiots released the fake. He actually faux kissed him on the cheeks as is custom. Some joker photoshopped the image to have him kissing the dude on the lips.

But hey, love how you are now holding Bush up as the gold standard for foreign relations.
 
Mason66 said:
Is it important why people are imprisoned or is it just the number that is important?
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Both.

It's also important who we imprison.

It's also important why we imprison so many people .. for the profit.

The Sentencing Project News - America's for-profit prisons: Greed over justice

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BlackAsCoal said:
Both.

It's also important who we imprison.

It's also important why we imprison so many people .. for the profit.

The Sentencing Project News - America's for-profit prisons: Greed over justice

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You just regurgitate propaganda. One of the biggest reasons (after an aging boomer population) that the nation has lowering crime rates is because we jail repeat offenders. Its been VERY effective in removing career criminals from the population. Other nations dont have the resources to do this-we do. Your little chart does not account for population growth, improved law enforcement, and a building of prisons to actually house these criminals. But Im sure pictures are fun to look at n stuff.

And I dont care if they are violent crimes or not-crime is crime and anyone who commits enough major crime to get 3 distinct convictions-needs to go away. I would also support the option for them to be air dropped onto a remote prison island, where they can eat coconuts and scam each other until they drop. ;)

Let me guess, socialist. We should not jail them-because the great expense is about "greed". Of course this means more crime, and being a socialist that make things more favorable to your ideology, it all goes back to critical theory.

Let me guess, socialist. We should compassionately rehab these patients-because prison isnt about removing criminals from the population or punishment, but "education". :roll:

My state is filled with hippies with this failed line of thinking, and it got us the highest recidivism rate in the country-70 percent.
http://ucicorrections.seweb.uci.edu/files/2013/06/bulletin_2005_vol-1_is-1.pdf

Which brings me back full circle-70% of the guys in prison will quickly return to a life of crime (if 70% are caught and reconvicted, think how many aren't). So you tell me, socialist, is it better to keep the insane cycle repeating or to keep them in prison?

Here are the charts you should have posted, socialist.
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Ah! Major crime, yes. OMG smoking marijauna.
 
Ad_Captandum said:
Bush kissed the Saudi King on the lips to show his respect for the guy who financed Al-Qaeda, so, please, just shut up with your partisan nonsense. Leaders play the diplomacy game, we know.
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So the only way you can defend Obama is by comparing him to Bush, the American president you love to hate? High praise indeed.:lol:
 
Grant said:
Yes, I do and thank you for that.



Perhaps you can point to the kinder, gentler side of Raul Castro and how he rebelled against his brothers tyranny over the decades, refusing all the splendor Fidel enjoyed. That should be on google as well.

Are there any hard core leftists do you admire?
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Like you, I have not a clue about anything regarding Raul. Don't know the guy at all.

Ralph nader
Howard Zinn
Bernie sanders
Elizabeth warren

I admire these leftists quite a bit.
 
US Conservative said:
Surely this will demonstrably drop with the legalisation of marijuana, or has it?
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How can you ask a past tense question about something that has yet to happen.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
Nice country you support with your vacations.
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Yeah, it is. Actually, it's the people I support, not the government.
I like touring around the US too, (used to, anyway, 'till the gov't decided I need a passport for Homeland Security reasons), despite things like this...

Fourth marijuana conviction gets Slidell man life in prison | NOLA.com

"Cornell Hood II got off with probation after three marijuana convictions in New Orleans. He didn't fare too well after moving to St. Tammany Parish, however. A single such conviction on the north shore landed the 35-year-old in prison for the rest of his life."

Pot laws are no more defensible than laws against protest and dissent. Both put people in jail for no more reason than they've offended someone.
 
US Conservative said:
You just regurgitate propaganda. One of the biggest reasons (after an aging boomer population) that the nation has lowering crime rates is because we jail repeat offenders. Its been VERY effective in removing career criminals from the population. Other nations dont have the resources to do this-we do. Your little chart does not account for population growth, improved law enforcement, and a building of prisons to actually house these criminals. But Im sure pictures are fun to look at n stuff.

And I dont care if they are violent crimes or not-crime is crime and anyone who commits enough major crime to get 3 distinct convictions-needs to go away. I would also support the option for them to be air dropped onto a remote prison island, where they can eat coconuts and scam each other until they drop. ;)

Let me guess, socialist. We should not jail them-because the great expense is about "greed". Of course this means more crime, and being a socialist that make things more favorable to your ideology, it all goes back to critical theory.

Let me guess, socialist. We should compassionately rehab these patients-because prison isnt about removing criminals from the population or punishment, but "education". :roll:

My state is filled with hippies with this failed line of thinking, and it got us the highest recidivism rate in the country-70 percent.
http://ucicorrections.seweb.uci.edu/files/2013/06/bulletin_2005_vol-1_is-1.pdf

Which brings me back full circle-70% of the guys in prison will quickly return to a life of crime (if 70% are caught and reconvicted, think how many aren't). So you tell me, socialist, is it better to keep the insane cycle repeating or to keep them in prison?

Here are the charts you should have posted, socialist.
Roman_blog3.jpeg

incarceration-vs-violent-crime-rate.jpg
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There are lots of charts I could have posted .. whatever you are.

Such as this one ..

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There are lots of charts that clearly demonstrate the rise in the prison population is directly related to the war on drugs and the jailing on non-violent criminals .. whatever you are. :0)

As for the rest of your kinda' whiny post, I'm not really interested in any pissing contest. How about this .. you win. I am so very impressed by your intellectual prowess. :0)

If you don't mind, I'd like to get back to civil conversation now.

Thanks. :0)
 
Grand Mal said:
Yeah, it is. Actually, it's the people I support, not the government.
I like touring around the US too, (used to, anyway, 'till the gov't decided I need a passport for Homeland Security reasons), despite things like this...

Fourth marijuana conviction gets Slidell man life in prison | NOLA.com

"Cornell Hood II got off with probation after three marijuana convictions in New Orleans. He didn't fare too well after moving to St. Tammany Parish, however. A single such conviction on the north shore landed the 35-year-old in prison for the rest of his life."

Pot laws are no more defensible than laws against protest and dissent. Both put people in jail for no more reason than they've offended someone.
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Cool, enjoy Cuba and stay the hell out of the US.
 
BlackAsCoal said:
There are lots of charts I could have posted .. whatever you are.

Such as this one ..

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There are lots of charts that clearly demonstrate the rise in the prison population is directly related to the war on drugs and the jailing on non-violent criminals .. whatever you are. :0)

As for the rest of your kinda' whiny post, I'm not really interested in any pissing contest. How about this .. you win. I am so very impressed by your intellectual prowess. :0)

If you don't mind, I'd like to get back to civil conversation now.

Thanks. :0)
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I'm anti the war on drugs but you can't compare that to locking people up for speaking out against the regime.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
I'm anti the war on drugs but you can't compare that to locking people up for speaking out against the regime.
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I agree with you .. but we aren't Cubans with our nation under constant attack from the huge militaristic nation off our shores .. that has already attempted invasion, assassination, and overthrow .. and that has an infamous military lockup on our shores.

That might change our perspectives a bit.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
Cool, enjoy Cuba and stay the hell out of the US.
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(grin!)
Cool. You're always welcome here, acourse. All we ask of our American visitors is that while you're here you don't shoot anyone and you don't yodel when you sing.
 
Grand Mal said:
Yeah, it is. Actually, it's the people I support, not the government.
I like touring around the US too, (used to, anyway, 'till the gov't decided I need a passport for Homeland Security reasons), despite things like this...

Fourth marijuana conviction gets Slidell man life in prison | NOLA.com

"Cornell Hood II got off with probation after three marijuana convictions in New Orleans. He didn't fare too well after moving to St. Tammany Parish, however. A single such conviction on the north shore landed the 35-year-old in prison for the rest of his life."

Pot laws are no more defensible than laws against protest and dissent. Both put people in jail for no more reason than they've offended someone.
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Umm, you know what happens to pot smokers in Cuba right? They go to jail.
 
BlackAsCoal said:
There are lots of charts I could have posted .. whatever you are.

Such as this one ..

prison%20jail%20drug%20web.png


There are lots of charts that clearly demonstrate the rise in the prison population is directly related to the war on drugs and the jailing on non-violent criminals .. whatever you are. :0)

As for the rest of your kinda' whiny post, I'm not really interested in any pissing contest. How about this .. you win. I am so very impressed by your intellectual prowess. :0)

If you don't mind, I'd like to get back to civil conversation now.

Thanks. :0)
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You respond by posing the same data THAT MEANS NOTHING ALONE. It not simply about a rise in the incarcerated population-im not debating that. :roll:

BTW the spike in both crime in the 80's, as well as the spike in incarceration correlates with the spike in gang violence and crack.

I dont want a guy convicted 3 separate times (each unanimously) for selling crack on the street-because if he is-there he is MOST LIKELY going to do the same. And a non-violent conviction DOES NOT MEAN he is not violent.

Here my question, with the large increase of non-violent felons in jail, we see a reduction in crime. Why is that?

One more question-if the "war on drugs" is lost, why isn't the "war on poverty"?
 
clownboy said:
Actually no, he didn't. Sorry to break it to you after you went to all that trouble to drink all that koolaid, but the image floating around the moron leftist sites was faked.
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Um, evidence that this is true?
 
Even if him kissing on the mouth is fake but he really did plant or pretended to plant one on his cheek, it's still the cheek of a tyrant and really little difference then Obama shaking a tyrants hand. Except that he's a democrat.
 
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