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Obama shakes hands with Cuba's Castro in 'gesture of hope'

In his column on July 13 with the Russia-based website, Strategic Culture Foundation, Wayne Madsen pointed out that "Barack Obama has made it one of the linchpins of his administration to identify, prosecute, and imprison national security whistle-blowers. Obama has charged more government employees under the provisions of the antiquated 1917 Espionage Act than all of his predecessors combined. Edward Snowden was the seventh person charged with violating the Espionage Act after he released to the Guardian and the Washington Post classified documents from the NSA revealing the extent of U.S. communication surveillance of the Internet, phone calls, text messages, and Skype communications within the United States and around the world."


http://larouchepac.com/node/27349

http://www.intrepidreport.com/archives/10207


The conviction of Bradley Manning under the 1917 Espionage Act, and the US Justice Department's decision to file espionage charges against NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden under the same act, are yet further examples of the Obama administration's policy of using an iron fist against human rights and civil liberties activists.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/06/obama-abuse-espionage-act-mccarthyism
 
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It is unfortunate that our embargo has hurt the production of Cuban cigars, but I look forward to the influx of Cuban cigars in the future. Cuban cigars wrapped in Connecticut Leaf Tobacco.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
Cuba has political prisoners while in the US we imprison people for actual crimes. See the difference?
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It's quibbling over semantics, innit. Yeah, dissention is a political crime and it's indefensible to jail people for it. Pot smoking is, at most, a sin, and it's indefensible to jail people for it.
One difference is, everyone wants Cuban society to liberalize.
 
Grand Mal said:
It's quibbling over semantics, innit. Yeah, dissention is a political crime and it's indefensible to jail people for it. Pot smoking is, at most, a sin, and it's indefensible to jail people for it.
One difference is, everyone wants Cuban society to liberalize.
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If I say Obama is a piece of communist crap and should be tarred and feathered nothing happens. Say that about Castro on the streets of Havana and then see what happens to your vacation.
 
As stated by others earlier, give it time. While bragging that things aren't as bad here as some other places, were loosing ground. Which is what so many threads here tend to be about.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
If I say Obama is a piece of communist crap and should be tarred and feathered nothing happens. Say that about Castro on the streets of Havana and then see what happens to your vacation.
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You haven't been paying attention. I heard people say Castro needs to step aside, one guy said the country'll be better when he's dead. Loudly, publically. You have to try harder than that to get arrested.
 
Grand Mal said:
You haven't been paying attention. I heard people say Castro needs to step aside, one guy said the country'll be better when he's dead. Loudly, publically. You have to try harder than that to get arrested.
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Nice country you support with your vacations.

"The 40 year-old political activist, was arrested on 30 July in the central province of Santa Clara as he peacefully participated in a public event to commemorate the anniversary of the death of Cuban national hero Frank País.

“Iván Fernández Depestre is being held only because he holds opinions contrary to those of the Cuban authorities. He must be released immediately and unconditionally,” said Javier Zúñiga, Special Advisor for Amnesty International.

Mr Depestre was charged with “dangerousness”, a pre-emptive measure defined as the “special proclivity of a person to commit crimes” after he was accused of “meeting with antisocial persons”. He hand no access to a lawyer during his trial and was sentenced to three years in jail on 2 August. He is currently on hunger strike."
 
sawyerloggingon said:
First of all what is this "gesture of hope" BS? I didn't know whether to put this in media bias or here. I have no problem with him giving the guy a formal handshake in a situation like this but he seems like he is really infatuated with the guy and it looks to me like he is bowing again. Why is he so warm and subservient to this commie thug.



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Bush kissed the Saudi King on the lips to show his respect for the guy who financed Al-Qaeda, so, please, just shut up with your partisan nonsense. Leaders play the diplomacy game, we know.
 
Ad_Captandum said:
Bush kissed the Saudi King on the lips to show his respect for the guy who financed Al-Qaeda, so, please, just shut up with your partisan nonsense. Leaders play the diplomacy game, we know.
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Who cares what Bush did?

This is about Castro. Do you have an opinion on what Obama did here?
 
poweRob said:
So you want to get personal huh? Let's put a little grey area into your black and white world view.

Here ya go. Che was a ****ing murdering douche that I can't stand. How does this fit into your boxed in view of the world? Me, a hard core leftist who hates Che. I also don't like Fidel Castro. Raul... don't know the guy. There ya go. Got your fill of me personally now?
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Yes, I do and thank you for that.

Watching all you righties line up to throw your disdain towards Raul simply because he holds the same last name when we all know you don't know a damn thing about him... THAT's funny. Now google him up and pretend like you always knew everything about him in your next post.
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Perhaps you can point to the kinder, gentler side of Raul Castro and how he rebelled against his brothers tyranny over the decades, refusing all the splendor Fidel enjoyed. That should be on google as well.

Are there any hard core leftists do you admire?
 
Blue_State said:
It is unfortunate that our embargo has hurt the production of Cuban cigars, but I look forward to the influx of Cuban cigars in the future. Cuban cigars wrapped in Connecticut Leaf Tobacco.
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I've talked to cigar aficionados and they say that because of over production the land in Cuba has been 'leached' because of overproduction with the best tobacco is from Nicaragua. There is also a lot of counterfeit Cuban cigars which are just terrible, but the boxes look quite authentic.
 
Mason66 said:
Who cares what Bush did?

This is about Castro. Do you have an opinion on what Obama did here?
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Right wing partisans don't care what Bush did because of the R behind his name. When a president does the same thing with a D behind his name, they suddenly care very much. And the reverse is true of course as well. Which is what frustrates progress in America. But rah rah your team Mason.
 
Montecresto said:
In his column on July 13 with the Russia-based website, Strategic Culture Foundation, Wayne Madsen pointed out that "Barack Obama has made it one of the linchpins of his administration to identify, prosecute, and imprison national security whistle-blowers. Obama has charged more government employees under the provisions of the antiquated 1917 Espionage Act than all of his predecessors combined. Edward Snowden was the seventh person charged with violating the Espionage Act after he released to the Guardian and the Washington Post classified documents from the NSA revealing the extent of U.S. communication surveillance of the Internet, phone calls, text messages, and Skype communications within the United States and around the world."


Has Snowden Become Obama's Osama?

The pursuit of Edward Snowden | Intrepid Report.com


The conviction of Bradley Manning under the 1917 Espionage Act, and the US Justice Department's decision to file espionage charges against NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden under the same act, are yet further examples of the Obama administration's policy of using an iron fist against human rights and civil liberties activists.

Obama's abuse of the Espionage Act is modern-day McCarthyism | John Kiriakou | Comment is free | theguardian.com
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Yes a lot of the dangers are coming from within, and not a great many people realize it. Armed EPA raid in Alaska sheds light on 70 fed agencies with armed divisions | Fox News

Like many I was at first against Snowden but am now realizing he may have made a major contribution to the continuation and maintenance of US rights and freedoms.
 
Montecresto said:
Right wing partisans don't care what Bush did because of the R behind his name. When a president does the same thing with a D behind his name, they suddenly care very much. And the reverse is true of course as well. Which is what frustrates progress in America. But rah rah your team Mason.
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Thanks for not answering the question. I don't have a team.
 
Dittohead not! said:
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When it comes to substance, the Cons got nutin' (ok, they do have some substantive criticisms, but offer no solutions, which is pointless). If ya got no substance, all you can attack is form.
 
Grant said:
I've talked to cigar aficionados and they say that because of over production the land in Cuba has been 'leached' because of overproduction with the best tobacco is from Nicaragua. There is also a lot of counterfeit Cuban cigars which are just terrible, but the boxes look quite authentic.
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I indulged in a cuban cigar the last time I was in the Caribbean. It wasn't everything I was hoping it would be, but I think they could come back around if we removed the embargo.
 
Mason66 said:
Who cares what Bush did?

This is about Castro. Do you have an opinion on what Obama did here?
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I'm mentioning Bush's actions, because implicit in the OP was that Obama was somehow kowtowing to an untrustworthy foreign leader, probably because he's an evil socialist who hates America. I'm just pointing out that Bush did the same, as did Clinton before him, and Bush Sr before him, all the way back to, you know, George Washington, because that's what leaders DO.

I do have an opinion of what Obama did: Good on him, he didn't act like an international level dickbag, and he's working to mend a broken relationship from an era two decades past.
 
Ad_Captandum said:
Bush kissed the Saudi King on the lips to show his respect for the guy who financed Al-Qaeda, so, please, just shut up with your partisan nonsense. Leaders play the diplomacy game, we know.
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Actually no, he didn't. Sorry to break it to you after you went to all that trouble to drink all that koolaid, but the image floating around the moron leftist sites was faked.
 
Blue_State said:
I indulged in a cuban cigar the last time I was in the Caribbean. It wasn't everything I was hoping it would be, but I think they could come back around if we removed the embargo.
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Yes, if they allowed the people to own their own land they'd probably take more care in crop rotation, etc.
 
Ad_Captandum said:
I'm mentioning Bush's actions, because implicit in the OP was that Obama was somehow kowtowing to an untrustworthy foreign leader, probably because he's an evil socialist who hates America. I'm just pointing out that Bush did the same, as did Clinton before him, and Bush Sr before him, all the way back to, you know, George Washington, because that's what leaders DO.

I do have an opinion of what Obama did: Good on him, he didn't act like an international level dickbag, and he's working to mend a broken relationship from an era two decades past.
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Maybe you should move on from the 'implicit' stuff into what is actually being said.
 
clownboy said:
Actually no, he didn't. Sorry to break it to you after you went to all that trouble to drink all that koolaid, but the image floating around the moron leftist sites was faked.
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Do you have any evidence, or am I just supposed to believe you that the image I see plainly is not real?
 
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