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    Re: Obama shakes hands with Cuba's Castro in 'gesture of hope'

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    I am not claiming we are not more safe, again though, Cuba is not needed as a strategic launch site any longer. Plus, as I have already mentioned we have relations with not only China, but Vietnam, and Laos. It seems silly to single out Cuba in that group.
    I think that the US's relationship with Cuba is a little different than say China or Vietnam. It's more of a personal relationship since we have thousands of Cubans that now live in our Country that can attest to the crimes of Castro and his Brother personally.

    Because of their size and their local their human rights violations seem more prevalent and sinister, which is silly but it's true.

    Plus it would be political suicide for ANY political party in the US to reach out to Cuba right now.
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    Re: Obama shakes hands with Cuba's Castro in 'gesture of hope'

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    I think that the US's relationship with Cuba is a little different than say China or Vietnam. It's more of a personal relationship since we have thousands of Cubans that now live in our Country that can attest to the crimes of Castro and his Brother personally.

    Because of their size and their local their human rights violations seem more prevalent and sinister, which is silly but it's true.

    Plus it would be political suicide for ANY political party in the US to reach out to Cuba right now.
    Many argue because the embargo is in place we give cuba the means to mistreat their people because we could provide aid and other necessities to the Cuban people.
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    Re: Obama shakes hands with Cuba's Castro in 'gesture of hope'

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    That worked out so well for us in Iraq.
    Iraq was a Communist Country 90 miles South South East from the Florida Keys ?

    Seriously, apples and oranges dude and Iraq isn't ruled by a Dictator with two sadistic sons anymore and is a good example of a bi-partisan approach to address a issue that was being manipulated by the very dictator that we removed.

    Arm Chair Quarter backing it for partisan reasons isn't really relevant to the dictatorship that its 90 miles away from the tip of Florida.
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    Re: Obama shakes hands with Cuba's Castro in 'gesture of hope'

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    Many argue because the embargo is in place we give cuba the means to mistreat their people because we could provide aid and other necessities to the Cuban people.
    I've heard that argument before.

    The problem with that argument are the multiple examples of aide and money sidetracked into the waiting arms of dictators in Africa. No matter what your'e still dealing with a Dictatorship who has control over the resources and given Castro's many examples of human cruelty it would be hard to justify giving him more power in any form or fashion.

    If you lift the embargo and peoples lives improve, does that mean that the human rights violations stop ? Will people be given the freedom to select their own style of government or even the power to speak freely without the chance of jail or execution ?
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    Re: Obama shakes hands with Cuba's Castro in 'gesture of hope'

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    I've heard that argument before.

    The problem with that argument are the multiple examples of aide and money sidetracked into the waiting arms of dictators in Africa. No matter what your'e still dealing with a Dictatorship who has control over the resources and given Castro's many examples of human cruelty it would be hard to justify giving him more power in any form or fashion.

    If you lift the embargo and peoples lives improve, does that mean that the human rights violations stop ? Will people be given the freedom to select their own style of government or even the power to speak freely without the chance of jail or execution ?
    The United States doesn't exactly have the best human rights record for your information. Seems hypocritical to judge Cuba....
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    Re: Obama shakes hands with Cuba's Castro in 'gesture of hope'

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    I've heard that argument before.

    The problem with that argument are the multiple examples of aide and money sidetracked into the waiting arms of dictators in Africa. No matter what your'e still dealing with a Dictatorship who has control over the resources and given Castro's many examples of human cruelty it would be hard to justify giving him more power in any form or fashion.

    If you lift the embargo and peoples lives improve, does that mean that the human rights violations stop ? Will people be given the freedom to select their own style of government or even the power to speak freely without the chance of jail or execution ?
    Absolutely. Cuba still takes in money from tourism, and it does not get to the people. At the same time-tourism is one of the few things that brings the island money-so the central powers dont diversify into other sources of income. This keeps infrastructure piss poor-so no foriegn investors will invest.

    Its a **** hole, and American liberals dont use their heads.

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    Re: Obama shakes hands with Cuba's Castro in 'gesture of hope'

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    The United States doesn't exactly have the best human rights record for your information. Seems hypocritical to judge Cuba....
    Ah the moral equivalence thing. Do you think the US and Cuba are the same? If you think they are not-why are you judging another nation?

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    Re: Obama shakes hands with Cuba's Castro in 'gesture of hope'

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    The United States doesn't exactly have the best human rights record for your information. Seems hypocritical to judge Cuba....
    Oh FFS...

    And I thought we were having a reasonable debate here. The United States and it's citizens have been standing up for human rights all over the world for decades. Either in funding provided by the Government or private initiatives to raise money for those affected by human rights abuses.

    Can you dig up some example of American "human rights abuses" ? Sure. Is it remotely relevant and timely ? No. Dig deep enough into any Country's history and you'll find example of human right abuses, from England's historic bent on world colonization to Germany's habit of starting world wars to Italy's dreaded Inquisitions.

    Do you solely define a Country by it's historic lapses in judgment ? Only if you need to justify current Human right abuses apparently. Personally I think it's a bit dishonest to go digging for examples of our own lapses in judgement to justify the actions of exiting dictatorships.

    Wow. I sincerely hope those in charge of our foreign policy processes aren't citing examples of US human rights abuses to justify any policy changes when it comes to Cuba. You would think not since it's utterly ridiculous and irrelevant, but then again, with the current administration nothings impossible.
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    Re: Obama shakes hands with Cuba's Castro in 'gesture of hope'

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Oh FFS...

    And I thought we were having a reasonable debate here. The United States and it's citizens have been standing up for human rights all over the world for decades. Either in funding provided by the Government or private initiatives to raise money for those affected by human rights abuses.

    Can you dig up some example of American "human rights abuses" ? Sure. Is it remotely relevant and timely ? No. Dig deep enough into any Country's history and you'll find example of human right abuses, from England's historic bent on world colonization to Germany's habit of starting world wars to Italy's dreaded Inquisitions.

    Do you solely define a Country by it's historic lapses in judgment ? Only if you need to justify current Human right abuses apparently. Personally I think it's a bit dishonest to go digging for examples of our own lapses in judgement to justify the actions of exiting dictatorships.

    Wow. I sincerely hope those in charge of our foreign policy processes aren't citing examples of US human rights abuses to justify any policy changes when it comes to Cuba. You would think not since it's utterly ridiculous and irrelevant, but then again, with the current administration nothings impossible.
    Liberals cant make this distinction, its part of the psychopathy.


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    Re: Obama shakes hands with Cuba's Castro in 'gesture of hope'

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Ah the moral equivalence thing. Do you think the US and Cuba are the same? If you think they are not-why are you judging another nation?
    I'm not judging Cuba...
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