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    Re: Obama shakes hands with Cuba's Castro in 'gesture of hope'

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    FYI, this is 2013. There is no Cold War, we
    can stop acting like Obama just agreed for the United States to eat a Soviet nuke.
    Russia has our Cities targeted with thousands of thermo-nuclear weapons and we are targeting their Cities.

    China has been hacking our military computers and represents a real military threat towards Japan and Taiwan, wich we vowed to protect.

    Israel isn't going to put up with Irans continued nuclear weapons objectives and it could all go South rather quickly.

    Cold war ? No but we're far from being safe from a Nuclear attack.

    In the end the Castros are dictators who imprison their own people for wanting what so many here take for granted.

    Freedom of expression and dissent.

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    Re: Obama shakes hands with Cuba's Castro in 'gesture of hope'

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Russia has our Cities targeted with thousands of thermo-nuclear weapons and we are targeting their Cities.

    China has been hacking our military computers and represents a real military threat towards Japan and Taiwan, wich we vowed to protect.

    Israel isn't going to put up with Irans continued nuclear weapons objectives and it could all go South rather quickly.

    Cold war ? No but we're far from being safe from a Nuclear attack.

    In the end the Castros are dictators who imprison their own people for wanting what so many here take for granted.

    Freedom of expression and dissent.
    All of these "threats" you mention have nothing pertaining to Cuba. No matter if Russia has nukes pointed at us or not, they don't need Cuba to launch an attack. Also, China is communist and guilty of the same crimes as Cuba in regards to freedoms and rights, why not embargo them as well?
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    Re: Obama shakes hands with Cuba's Castro in 'gesture of hope'

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    All of these "threats" you mention have
    nothing pertaining to Cuba. No matter if Russia has nukes pointed at us or not, they don't need Cuba to launch an attack. Also, China is communist and guilty of the same crimes as Cuba in regards to freedoms and rights, why not embargo them as well?
    Its a good question with really only one answer.

    We're too economically involved with China and a embargo of a nation that size isn't a practical solution to anything really.

    Embargo's in themselves don't stop Nation States from misbehaving, nor from building Nukes or locking up disidents.

    But too think we're safer today than we were in the 80s is a bit naive I think.

    My oldest is in the Navy, 5 years and I like to try an needle as much information out of him as possible when he gets home.

    So, with out getting in trouble he basically tells me that the threat of our Boomers ( Ballistic Missle Subs ) are essentially whats keeping large Nations that may decide to go rogue or attack disputed island territories ( Japan and Tawain ) halfway honest.

    That although China is on a mission to steal as much tech from the American millitary as possible, they STILL lack the abillity to excel in tech on their own. ( for some reason )

    The Communist State isolates itself on a technological basis by impeding on the creative process of free people and further isolates itself by limiting the free exchange of ideas from people that may want to move there.

    Its why the Soviet Union routinely offered up junk in response to Americans technological advances from the 60s to the present.

    We made the SR-71 Blackbird, they made the FoxBatt-50 that turned out to be a heap of heavy junk. We successfully landed men on the moon 6 times and 3 rovers while they stranded dogs in space.

    Even Russian and North Korea know we could have boats parked unseen and undetected off their coast at any time with the capacity to rain down 250 warheads on their major ciy's within a 15 minute time frame, per boat.

    Now if that information is common, imagine what we don't know.

    Cuba is still run by Communist Dictators and Obama should have ignored what is essentaially a thug pretedning to celebrate " unity " and freedom.

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    Re: Obama shakes hands with Cuba's Castro in 'gesture of hope'

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    We're too economically involved with China and a embargo of a nation that size isn't a practical solution to anything really.
    So what, exactly, is the embargo of Cuba a solution to?
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    Re: Obama shakes hands with Cuba's Castro in 'gesture of hope'

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Its a good question with really only one answer.

    We're too economically involved with China and a embargo of a nation that size isn't a practical solution to anything really.

    Embargo's in themselves don't stop Nation States from misbehaving, nor from building Nukes or locking up disidents.

    But too think we're safer today than we were in the 80s is a bit naive I think.

    My oldest is in the Navy, 5 years and I like to try an needle as much information out of him as possible when he gets home.

    So, with out getting in trouble he basically tells me that the threat of our Boomers ( Ballistic Missle Subs ) are essentially whats keeping large Nations that may decide to go rogue or attack disputed island territories ( Japan and Tawain ) halfway honest.

    That although China is on a mission to steal as much tech from the American millitary as possible, they STILL lack the abillity to excel in tech on their own. ( for some reason )

    The Communist State isolates itself on a technological basis by impeding on the creative process of free people and further isolates itself by limiting the free exchange of ideas from people that may want to move there.

    Its why the Soviet Union routinely offered up junk in response to Americans technological advances from the 60s to the present.

    We made the SR-71 Blackbird, they made the FoxBatt-50 that turned out to be a heap of heavy junk. We successfully landed men on the moon 6 times and 3 rovers while they stranded dogs in space.

    Even Russian and North Korea know we could have boats parked unseen and undetected off their coast at any time with the capacity to rain down 250 warheads on their major ciy's within a 15 minute time frame, per boat.

    Now if that information is common, imagine what we don't know.

    Cuba is still run by Communist Dictators and Obama should have ignored what is essentaially a thug pretedning to celebrate " unity " and freedom.
    I am not claiming we are not more safe, again though, Cuba is not needed as a strategic launch site any longer. Plus, as I have already mentioned we have relations with not only China, but Vietnam, and Laos. It seems silly to single out Cuba in that group.
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    Re: Obama shakes hands with Cuba's Castro in 'gesture of hope'

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Its a good question with really only one answer.

    We're too economically involved with China and a embargo of a nation that size isn't a practical solution to anything really.

    Embargo's in themselves don't stop Nation States from misbehaving, nor from building Nukes or locking up disidents.

    But too think we're safer today than we were in the 80s is a bit naive I think.

    My oldest is in the Navy, 5 years and I like to try an needle as much information out of him as possible when he gets home.

    So, with out getting in trouble he basically tells me that the threat of our Boomers ( Ballistic Missle Subs ) are essentially whats keeping large Nations that may decide to go rogue or attack disputed island territories ( Japan and Tawain ) halfway honest.

    That although China is on a mission to steal as much tech from the American millitary as possible, they STILL lack the abillity to excel in tech on their own. ( for some reason )

    The Communist State isolates itself on a technological basis by impeding on the creative process of free people and further isolates itself by limiting the free exchange of ideas from people that may want to move there.

    Its why the Soviet Union routinely offered up junk in response to Americans technological advances from the 60s to the present.

    We made the SR-71 Blackbird, they made the FoxBatt-50 that turned out to be a heap of heavy junk. We successfully landed men on the moon 6 times and 3 rovers while they stranded dogs in space.

    Even Russian and North Korea know we could have boats parked unseen and undetected off their coast at any time with the capacity to rain down 250 warheads on their major ciy's within a 15 minute time frame, per boat.

    Now if that information is common, imagine what we don't know.

    Cuba is still run by Communist Dictators and Obama should have ignored what is essentaially a thug pretedning to celebrate " unity " and freedom.
    And just what good has over 50 years of "ignoring" done? It has prolonged the Castro's regime immensely already. Do you really want to keep them in power indefinitely just so you can have someone to despise?
    By the way...do you know whose rockets now transport all astronauts to the International Space Station?

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    Re: Obama shakes hands with Cuba's Castro in 'gesture of hope'

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    So what, exactly, is the embargo of Cuba a solution to?
    It's a solution to the fact that the Cubans in Florida would vote overwhelmingly against anyone who suggested normalization of relations with Cuba.
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    Re: Obama shakes hands with Cuba's Castro in 'gesture of hope'

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    It's a solution to the fact that the Cubans in Florida would vote overwhelmingly against anyone who suggested normalization of relations with Cuba.
    Ding ding ding. Johnny, tell him what he's won.

    This is exactly why the Cuban embargo persists.
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    Re: Obama shakes hands with Cuba's Castro in 'gesture of hope'

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    And just what good has over 50 years of "ignoring" done? It has prolonged the Castro's regime immensely already. Do you really want to keep them in power indefinitely just so you can have someone to despise?
    By the way...do you know whose rockets now transport all astronauts to the International Space Station?
    First, your'e right for a change. We should have taken out Castro and toppled his regime decades ago militarily.

    Those rockets the ferry US Astronauts to space with are above and beyond the THOUSANDS of rockets capped with thermonuclear weapons that now target our cities.
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    Re: Obama shakes hands with Cuba's Castro in 'gesture of hope'

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    First, your'e right for a change. We should have taken out Castro and toppled his regime decades ago militarily.

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    That worked out so well for us in Iraq.
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