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    Re: Obama shakes hands with Cuba's Castro in 'gesture of hope'

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    There are other reasons for the spike, like 3 strikes regardless of the type of conviction.

    If there was no drop in crime with these drug offenders you might have a point-but there IS a drop, and as it turns out even those convicted for non-violent crimes are still criminals who do bad things.

    So im fine with it.

    Also-FROM YOU SOURCE US crime rate is down: six key reasons - CSMonitor.com

    US notches world's highest incarceration rate - CSMonitor.com

    So what up with that?
    There was never any question of whether you would be fine with it brother. That was never in question.

    The point is that the US has 5% of the world's population .. and 25% of all the prisoners in the world.

    The point is that the VAST majority of those arrested in the war on drugs were for non-violent crimes, not violent crimes as you suggested.

    The point is that the war on drugs and astronomical incarcerations are designed for-profit. There is more being spent on prisons than schools.

    How much does it cost the taxpayer for the US to hold 25% of all the prisoners in the world.

    Maybe you like all that while you complain about taxes at the same time.

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    Re: Obama shakes hands with Cuba's Castro in 'gesture of hope'

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    There was never any question of whether you would be fine with it brother. That was never in question.

    The point is that the US has 5% of the world's population .. and 25% of all the prisoners in the world.

    The point is that the VAST majority of those arrested in the war on drugs were for non-violent crimes, not violent crimes as you suggested.

    The point is that the war on drugs and astronomical incarcerations are designed for-profit. There is more being spent on prisons than schools.

    How much does it cost the taxpayer for the US to hold 25% of all the prisoners in the world.

    Maybe you like all that while you complain about taxes at the same time.
    Good point. There's several stats just like that. 5% worlds pop., 45% global military expenditures.

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    Re: Obama shakes hands with Cuba's Castro in 'gesture of hope'

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackAsCoal View Post
    There was never any question of whether you would be fine with it brother. That was never in question.

    The point is that the US has 5% of the world's population .. and 25% of all the prisoners in the world.

    The point is that the VAST majority of those arrested in the war on drugs were for non-violent crimes, not violent crimes as you suggested.

    The point is that the war on drugs and astronomical incarcerations are designed for-profit. There is more being spent on prisons than schools.

    How much does it cost the taxpayer for the US to hold 25% of all the prisoners in the world.

    Maybe you like all that while you complain about taxes at the same time.
    Whan you name drop those percentages WITHOUT CONTEXT (ie WHO, WHY, and the RESULTS OF) you are doing us a disservice.
    I never implied that the majority were for violent crimes.

    Yes, its expensive to house these guys, but its money well spent (generally). When you get into your conspiratorial "profit" stuff is where I shut off. I simply dont buy that dribble, but kudos for combining many of the lefts delusions. It cohesive.

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    Re: Obama shakes hands with Cuba's Castro in 'gesture of hope'

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackAsCoal View Post
    There was never any question of whether you would be fine with it brother. That was never in question.

    The point is that the US has 5% of the world's population .. and 25% of all the prisoners in the world.

    The point is that the VAST majority of those arrested in the war on drugs were for non-violent crimes, not violent crimes as you suggested.

    The point is that the war on drugs and astronomical incarcerations are designed for-profit. There is more being spent on prisons than schools.

    How much does it cost the taxpayer for the US to hold 25% of all the prisoners in the world.

    Maybe you like all that while you complain about taxes at the same time.
    Maybe all drugs should be legalized in order to weed out the less intelligent among the human species. Survival of the fittest, and all of that.

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    Re: Obama shakes hands with Cuba's Castro in 'gesture of hope'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Good point. There's several stats just like that. 5% worlds pop., 45% global military expenditures.
    That isn't 'anti-americanism' it isn't partisan .. that's data, that's truth.

    No matter how depressed the rest of America may be .. there is always money for war. The travesty is that now even democrats have been bought off. Obama is as warmongering as Dick Cheney.

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    Re: Obama shakes hands with Cuba's Castro in 'gesture of hope'

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Maybe all drugs should be legalized in order to weed out the less intelligent among the human species. Survival of the fittest, and all of that.
    If that is to imply that only less intelligent people use drugs .. truth may cause you to rethink that.

    I bet someone said that very thing before prohibition ended. 'Let them all have access to the evil of alcohol and they'll weed themselves out of normal society.

    Speaking of 'weed' :0) .. visions of 'Reefer Madness' are dancing in my head. Smoke a joint .. and you'll want to kill somebody .. and dance real fast to crazy music. :0)

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    Re: Obama shakes hands with Cuba's Castro in 'gesture of hope'

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackAsCoal View Post
    That isn't 'anti-americanism' it isn't partisan .. that's data, that's truth.

    No matter how depressed the rest of America may be .. there is always money for war. The travesty is that now even democrats have been bought off. Obama is as warmongering as Dick Cheney.
    Its criticism out of context and has its roots in critical theory.

    When you use stats like that without accounting for the fact that we are the worlds only superpower, and a leader in industry, tech, and military the numbers make more sense. But-that would add context.

    You may not be familiar with the terms, but you were conditioned to believe it as truth. Spend the few minutes to watch this, it will lend perspective (and that dreaded context).




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    Re: Obama shakes hands with Cuba's Castro in 'gesture of hope'

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackAsCoal View Post
    If that is to imply that only less intelligent people use drugs .. truth may cause you to rethink that.
    Drugs appear to have ruined a great many lives and anyone who sticks a needle in their arms or who smokes crack has to understand that. I can't see that as anything else than stupid.

    I bet someone said that very thing before prohibition ended. 'Let them all have access to the evil of alcohol and they'll weed themselves out of normal society.
    That was just as true. Look at all the old moves from that period and see for yourself how the use of tobacco and alcohol was being promoted by the movie stars of the day as being cool and sophisticated. That same thing happened later with the glamorization of many drugs, which may be why the US uses more recreational drugs than any country in the world.

    Speaking of 'weed' :0) .. visions of 'Reefer Madness' are dancing in my head. Smoke a joint .. and you'll want to kill somebody .. and dance real fast to crazy music. :0)
    Yes, i understand the lunacy of reefer madness but lets not go in the other direction either. That's just as crazy.

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    Re: Obama shakes hands with Cuba's Castro in 'gesture of hope'

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Whan you name drop those percentages WITHOUT CONTEXT (ie WHO, WHY, and the RESULTS OF) you are doing us a disservice.
    I never implied that the majority were for violent crimes.

    Yes, its expensive to house these guys, but its money well spent (generally). When you get into your conspiratorial "profit" stuff is where I shut off. I simply dont buy that dribble, but kudos for combining many of the lefts delusions. It cohesive.
    Thank you brother for giving me the opportunity to share those 'delusions' .. otherwise known as facts.

    'Conspiracy' is where frightened people hide .. not suggesting you of course .. but people like you who ignore the facts about the prisons and profit.

    Profit Driven Prison Industrial Complex: The Economics of Incarceration in the USA - The Mind Unleashed
    For anyone paying attention, there is no shortage of issues that fundamentally challenge the underpinning moral infrastructure of American society and the values it claims to uphold. Under the conceptual illusion of liberty, few things are more sobering than the amount of Americans who will spend the rest of their lives in an isolated correctional facility – ostensibly, being corrected. The United States of America has long held the highest incarceration rate in the world, far surpassing any other nation. For every 100,000 Americans, 743 citizens sit behind bars. Presently, the prison population in America consists of more than six million people, a number exceeding the amount of prisoners held in the gulags of the former Soviet Union at any point in its history.

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    While miserable statistics illustrate some measure of the ongoing ethical calamity occurring in the detainment centers inside the land of the free, only a partial picture of the broader situation is painted. While the country faces an unprecedented economic and financial crisis, business is booming in other fields – namely, the private prison industry. Like any other business, these institutions are run for the purpose of turning a profit. State and federal prisons are contracted out to private companies who are paid a fixed amount to house each prisoner per day. Their profits result from spending the minimum amount of state or federal funds on each inmate, only to pocket the remaining capital. For the corrections conglomerates of America, prosperity depends on housing the maximum numbers of inmates for the longest potential time – as inexpensively as possible.

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    How about this ..
    The prison industrial complex is alive and doing well in U.S.A.

    Fortune 500 companies (too numerous to mention here) are invested in "prison labor". The potential profit of the prison labor boom has encouraged U.S. corporate society to move their production forces into American prisons — and why not? The lowest prison wage is .17 an hour! This is a nifty profit since these companies turn around and sell their products to the U.S. government — i.e. the taxpayers — at premium prices.
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    Is that true? Are Fortune 500 companies really setting up shop in American prisons? Do you know?

    Could it possibly be that some American companies are shutting down operations in the real world where they have to pay workers real wages, worry about sick days, vacations, health, ands safety .. nagging little things like that .. and then setting up shop in prisons where the slaves do what they're told for slave wages?

    Is that true? Do you know?

    Looking for 'Made in America labels?' Go here .. the 'JC Penny's' of the prison world.
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    Prisons for profit are a well known growing phenomena here in the good ole USA. Watch for the numbers you quote to rise.

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