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    Re: Obama shakes hands with Cuba's Castro in 'gesture of hope'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    So what, they don't control US foreign policy. Some one needs to poll americans on their feelings about normalizing relations with Cuba.
    They are Americans.

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    Re: Obama shakes hands with Cuba's Castro in 'gesture of hope'

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    from what I know..(and I could be wrong too) there is a new allowance of private enterprise. I doubt if it's a free market, and I would imagine it's taxed,
    but this is new, and should be encouraged.

    I saw a "blub: the other day that we have rolled back at least some part of the sanctions/embargo.

    Good post, good idea. There is every reason in the world ( and especially the western hemisphere) to encourage market reforsm by Cuba.

    Ending the embargo would go a long way (in my opinion)
    When we were there we stayed in 'casas particulare' private homes with a suite they could rent out to tourists. They ran about $20/day. The casas were identified by a green triangle on the door. We ate, usually, at paladares, private homes that were allowed to seat 12 for dinner (every one we were at pushed that limit though- one in Havana doubled it up). The food was great, the menus limited and at two there was music. In Cienfuegos and Trinidad we were woke up every morning by guys pushing carts with bread or tomatoes or whatever, calling out what they were selling. Not exactly capitalism but not North Korea, either.
    The hotels were mostly private enterprises that cut the government in on the action and you were supposes to stay at least three nights in hotels but if you could give the customs guy the name of one he was satisfied. There were street hucksters- don't buy cigars from them.
    The only problem with the country I could see is the prosecution of dissenters but you'd have to be determinedly vocal to get arrested, going by how some of the people we met in Havana talked in public. I'm guessing that the society will liberalize when the last veteran of the revolution dies or retires from government, kinda like what happened in the USSR when the last WWII vets died.
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    Re: Obama shakes hands with Cuba's Castro in 'gesture of hope'

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    They are Americans.
    Well sure they are (have become, legally) but they are comparatively a very small minority. And our Cuban policy shouldn't be decided by them.

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    Re: Obama shakes hands with Cuba's Castro in 'gesture of hope'

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    Almost ironic, coming from someone in the most incarcerated nation in the world. I don't know how many dissenters are imprisoned in Cuba- not as many as you think, I bet. Certainly not as many as are doing time for pot in the US.
    Cuba has political prisoners while in the US we imprison people for actual crimes. See the difference?

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    Re: Obama shakes hands with Cuba's Castro in 'gesture of hope'

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Interesting indeed.

    Thanks.

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    Re: Obama shakes hands with Cuba's Castro in 'gesture of hope'

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Cuba has political prisoners while in the US we imprison people for actual crimes. See the difference?
    The US imprisons more people than any nation on earth .. by far .. including all the totalitarian nations we like to point fingers at.

    We don't have political prisoners? That depends on your perspective.

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    Re: Obama shakes hands with Cuba's Castro in 'gesture of hope'

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackAsCoal View Post
    The US imprisons more people than any nation on earth .. by far .. including all the totalitarian nations we like to point fingers at.

    We don't have political prisoners? That depends on your perspective.

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    Re: Obama shakes hands with Cuba's Castro in 'gesture of hope'

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Cuba has political prisoners while in the US we imprison people for actual crimes. See the difference?
    We have political prisoners as well. In fact another one of Obama's unfulfilled promises (one of many I believed in when I voted for him) was to expand whistle blower protection, which would be bad enough of itself if he simply failed to "expand" them. But he has actually shrunk them and imprisoned more than his predecessors.

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    Re: Obama shakes hands with Cuba's Castro in 'gesture of hope'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    We have political prisoners as well. In fact another one of Obama's unfulfilled promises (one of many I believed in when I voted for him) was to expand whistle blower protection, which would be bad enough of itself if he simply failed to "expand" them. But he has actually shrunk them and imprisoned more than his predecessors.
    Can you name these political prisoners and tell me what exactly they were convicted of? Here is some info on Cuba and what has been going on since the guy took over who's hand Obama warmly embraced.

    "The number of prisoners held on political charges in Cuba doubled to 90 in the past 10 months despite the government’s preference for short-term detentions to control dissent, a Havana human rights group reported Tuesday.

    About 30 of the new prisoners are leaders and members of the Cuban Patriotic Union (UNPACU), a dissident group that has achieved a surprisingly active presence in the eastern part of the island since it was founded in mid-2011.

    The number of jailings is evidence that police “are ready to repress with the utmost force in order to paralyze the visible advances of UNPACU,” founder José Daniel Ferrér Gárcia said by phone from his home in the eastern town of Palmarito de Cauto.

    Read more here: Cuban human rights group: Number of political prisoners has doubled - Cuba - MiamiHerald.com

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    Re: Obama shakes hands with Cuba's Castro in 'gesture of hope'

    My comment was not meant as any kind of a denial of human rights abuses in Cuba. And jailed whistle blowers are political prisoners and though we have whistle blower protections, they are weak which is why Obama campaigned on this promise to expand them but instead has relaxed them and imprisoned more than his predecessors.

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