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Dalai Lama not to attend Mandela funeral

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The Dalai Lama, who has twice since 2009 been denied a visa for South Africa, is not planning to attend his fellow Nobel laureate Nelson Mandela's funeral, his spokesman said Sunday.

"He has no plans to go," spokesman Tenzin Takhla told AFP in the northern Indian hilltop town of Dharamsala where the Tibetan spiritual leader is headquartered.

Takhla did not say why the Dalai Lama would not attend Mandela's national memorial service on Tuesday or the December 15 burial at his boyhood home of Qunu.

But the Dalai Lama was controversially denied a visa to South Africa in 2011 after being invited to give a lecture as part of celebrations for the 80th birthday of Mandela's fellow anti-apartheid campaigner Desmond Tutu.


Turns out SA does a lot of business with COMMUNIST China. Is China's influence in Africa a result of ties with certain leaders?
 
Good for him. I daresay his absence won't be a sore point, what with legions of otherwise blase sycophants rallying for the loss of their 'hero'.
 
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I can't say I blame him, but I am sure he will light three joss sticks and say a little prayer, chant for the recently departed regardless. Where doesn't matter.
 
Being he has been shown in the same light as Mandela, seems politics is the only reason for his absence.
 
Bit of a none story. Was he even invited? Do we even know whether Mandela and the Dalai Lama had any kind of personal relationship? Why would he go unless? Someone seems to be casting round for a non-existent controversy.
 
Perotista said:
I can't say I blame him, but I am sure he will light three joss sticks and say a little prayer, chant for the recently departed regardless. Where doesn't matter.
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:agree: :thumbs:

Good morning, Pero. :2wave:
 
WCH said:
Yahoo! The Dalai Lama, who has twice since 2009 been denied a visa for South Africa, is not planning to attend his fellow Nobel laureate Nelson Mandela's funeral, his spokesman said Sunday. "He has no plans to go," spokesman Tenzin Takhla told AFP in the northern Indian hilltop town of Dharamsala where the Tibetan spiritual leader is headquartered. Takhla did not say why the Dalai Lama would not attend Mandela's national memorial service on Tuesday or the December 15 burial at his boyhood home of Qunu. But the Dalai Lama was controversially denied a visa to South Africa in 2011 after being invited to give a lecture as part of celebrations for the 80th birthday of Mandela's fellow anti-apartheid campaigner Desmond Tutu. Turns out SA does a lot of business with COMMUNIST China. Is China's influence in Africa a result of ties with certain leaders?
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Ahhh so SA does a lot of business with COMMUNIST China, which of course is different from the communist China we do lots of business with... ;)

I think it is kinda small and petty of the Dalai to shun the funeral. Mandela didn't bar the visa. I kinda figure religious leaders were just a bit bigger of a man with a smaller ego. But it does take all kinds. He won't be missed, the world is lining up to honor Mandela, one less guy in a funny robe just speeds things up a bit. Mandela will go down in history as a far more influential leader than the Dalai Dude. Maybe that's the rub, being one-upped by a dead guy....
 
notquiteright said:
Ahhh so SA does a lot of business with COMMUNIST China, which of course is different from the communist China we do lots of business with... ;)

I think it is kinda small and petty of the Dalai to shun the funeral. Mandela didn't bar the visa. I kinda figure religious leaders were just a bit bigger of a man with a smaller ego. But it does take all kinds. He won't be missed, the world is lining up to honor Mandela, one less guy in a funny robe just speeds things up a bit. Mandela will go down in history as a far more influential leader than the Dalai Dude. Maybe that's the rub, being one-upped by a dead guy....
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It's small and petty for the Dalai Lama to honour South African law and not enter the country without a visa?
 
WCH said:
Yahoo!

The Dalai Lama, who has twice since 2009 been denied a visa for South Africa, is not planning to attend his fellow Nobel laureate Nelson Mandela's funeral, his spokesman said Sunday.

"He has no plans to go," spokesman Tenzin Takhla told AFP in the northern Indian hilltop town of Dharamsala where the Tibetan spiritual leader is headquartered.

Takhla did not say why the Dalai Lama would not attend Mandela's national memorial service on Tuesday or the December 15 burial at his boyhood home of Qunu.

But the Dalai Lama was controversially denied a visa to South Africa in 2011 after being invited to give a lecture as part of celebrations for the 80th birthday of Mandela's fellow anti-apartheid campaigner Desmond Tutu.


Turns out SA does a lot of business with COMMUNIST China. Is China's influence in Africa a result of ties with certain leaders?
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This is the flea on an elephants ass.

He won't be missed.
 
Andalublue said:
Bit of a none story. Was he even invited? Do we even know whether Mandela and the Dalai Lama had any kind of personal relationship? Why would he go unless? Someone seems to be casting round for a non-existent controversy.
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Nontraversy indeed.
 
WCH said:
Takhla did not say why the Dalai Lama would not attend Mandela's national memorial service on Tuesday or the December 15 burial at his boyhood home of Qunu.
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So let the rabid speculation begin!!


Turns out SA does a lot of business with COMMUNIST China. Is China's influence in Africa a result of ties with certain leaders?
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I see you've wasted no time.
 
CanadaJohn said:
It's small and petty for the Dalai Lama to honour South African law and not enter the country without a visa?
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Was he denied a visa for the funeral? A spokesperson said the Dalai Dude had no plans to attend, not he was denied a visa to attend the funeral.
 
WCH said:
Being he has been shown in the same light as Mandela, seems politics is the only reason for his absence.
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But not being played by him, since he has been denied a visa to enter the country! Politics? Meh!

In February 2010, after a visit with Obama which displeased the Chinese government, the Dali Lama had to exit the WH by the back door which led to an alley, remember? Quite an upsetting story at the time!

Greetings, WCH. :2wave:
 
notquiteright said:
Was he denied a visa for the funeral? A spokesperson said the Dalai Dude had no plans to attend, not he was denied a visa to attend the funeral.
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Twice, the Dalai Lama was denied a visa to enter the country in 2009 and again in 2011. What has changed in the interim to make you believe he should submit a third time to the national embarrassment? Besides, why would the Dalai Lama allow himself to be used as a pawn by the current South African government in an attempt to make themselves look more open and welcoming or all?
 
CanadaJohn said:
Twice, the Dalai Lama was denied a visa to enter the country in 2009 and again in 2011. What has changed in the interim to make you believe he should submit a third time to the national embarrassment? Besides, why would the Dalai Lama allow himself to be used as a pawn by the current South African government in an attempt to make themselves look more open and welcoming or all?
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Good point, CJ! :thumbs:
 
CanadaJohn said:
Twice, the Dalai Lama was denied a visa to enter the country in 2009 and again in 2011. What has changed in the interim to make you believe he should submit a third time to the national embarrassment? Besides, why would the Dalai Lama allow himself to be used as a pawn by the current South African government in an attempt to make themselves look more open and welcoming or all?
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I think the point is, who cares if he goes or not?

"The Dalai Lama — based in the Indian hill town of Dharamsala since he fled China in 1959 — was welcomed to South Africa in 1996 and met with Mandela when he was South Africa's first black and democratically elected president."
Dalai Lama to Miss Mandela Memorial in SAfrica - ABC News

If he doesn't show up, it's because of politics, not because he didn't like Mandela.

The right is just to drum up BS nontroversy .. as is its manner.

A black leader the right doesn't like ..where's the news.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Twice, the Dalai Lama was denied a visa to enter the country in 2009 and again in 2011. What has changed in the interim to make you believe he should submit a third time to the national embarrassment? Besides, why would the Dalai Lama allow himself to be used as a pawn by the current South African government in an attempt to make themselves look more open and welcoming or all?
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Changing the argument a mite now... So you admit he wasn't denied a visa to attend the state funeral, he didn't even ask for one.

First of all there is no 'national embarrassment' attached to the first two on the part of the Dalai Lama, on South Africa's part perhaps but not on the Dalai Dude.

What has changed- did you not read the paper? Nelson Mandela has died. This is a State Funeral. Kind of a big deal. Rather than be a pawn he will show himself greater than the fussy secular leaders. You can make the same argument of any leader who rises above the petty political crap and does the noble thing.

Just being a pawn... yadda yadda yadda.

Fact is we will never know because Dalai Dude didn't even try.....
 
Andalublue said:
Bit of a none story. Was he even invited? Do we even know whether Mandela and the Dalai Lama had any kind of personal relationship? Why would he go unless? Someone seems to be casting round for a non-existent controversy.
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I read earlier that China insisted SA not invite him I'll have to find the link.
 
WCH said:
I read earlier that China insisted SA not invite him I'll have to find the link.
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Wouldn't surprise me actually - China takes the Dalai Llama's appearances very seriously and they have a lot of sway and investment all over Africa.
 
notquiteright said:
Changing the argument a mite now... So you admit he wasn't denied a visa to attend the state funeral, he didn't even ask for one.

First of all there is no 'national embarrassment' attached to the first two on the part of the Dalai Lama, on South Africa's part perhaps but not on the Dalai Dude.

What has changed- did you not read the paper? Nelson Mandela has died. This is a State Funeral. Kind of a big deal. Rather than be a pawn he will show himself greater than the fussy secular leaders. You can make the same argument of any leader who rises above the petty political crap and does the noble thing.

Just being a pawn... yadda yadda yadda.

Fact is we will never know because Dalai Dude didn't even try.....
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The fact that you refer to the man as the "Dalai Dude" makes anything else you have to say irrelevant. Since you have such little respect for the man and presumably respect Mandela, why would you want him to attend if not as a prop to enhance the funeral of the guy you like?
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Wouldn't surprise me actually - China takes the Dalai Llama's appearances very seriously and they have a lot of sway and investment all over Africa.
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I'd take the Dalai Llama's appearances seriously too. You'd notice him...

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The Dalai Llama
 
CanadaJohn said:
The fact that you refer to the man as the "Dalai Dude" makes anything else you have to say irrelevant. Since you have such little respect for the man and presumably respect Mandela, why would you want him to attend if not as a prop to enhance the funeral of the guy you like?
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Actually I am amazed any Westerner thinks the Dalai Dude is relevant. Long an object of ridicule as Leader of the Hippies and Peaceniks I figure the only reason anyone givesacrap is due the the Rise of China and now the troubles traveling.

The West doesn't DO anything to support the Dalai Dude, I guess because we have as much to 'fear' about China as South Africa, so the lip service is rather hollow.

The Dalai Dude isn't Swaggering BushII, he should extend the olive branch or turn the other cheek as a good religious leader rather than pout about past slights.

Oh well, what could have been, still no worries, plenty of real world leaders to sing the praises of Mandela.... :peace
 
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