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    Re: Judge strikes down law that gives clergy members tax-free housing allowances

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Indeed a silly law, but also easy to work around, for the most part; simply have the church drop the housing allowance and lease/buy the property directly then allow their clergy to live there rent free.

    In many cases property owned by/used by a church is also exempted from local property taxation.
    Frankly I hope every church finds a ****house lawyer to get them around this just to piss off the atheists. It's so important to them to gig the church every chance they get. Go ahead and get the tax free status of churches removed. It will just allow them to spend their gazillions of dollars to go after every enemy they have. They have so much money it's not even going to be a contest.
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    Re: Judge strikes down law that gives clergy members tax-free housing allowances

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Priests take a vow of poverty. And most clergy I have ever met from other denominations are of a modest income. I'm not talking about the tv charlatans that thrive off of donations, but rather the bulk of clergy in this country which are lower middle income. As my understanding is that clergy have always gotten an exemption for their housing because in most cases the house is owned by the church.
    That's all well and good. Should everyone who is of lower middle income be able to write off the cost of housing, then?

    or should the clergy have a special privilege just for being clergy?
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    Re: Judge strikes down law that gives clergy members tax-free housing allowances

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Priests take a vow of poverty. And most clergy I have ever met from other denominations are of a modest income. I'm not talking about the tv charlatans that thrive off of donations, but rather the bulk of clergy in this country which are lower middle income. As my understanding is that clergy have always gotten an exemption for their housing because in most cases the house is owned by the church.
    It's really similar to food stamps. The bad ones get all the press and the humble, decent ones take the flak.

    Its regrettable that most of our influences are like this and even worse that people fall into the trap.

    Some of the kindest humans I met (long ago) were Priests who had nothing and cared for nothing but the people. But the pedophiles got all the press and the angelic ones were smeared by the same brush.

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    Re: Judge strikes down law that gives clergy members tax-free housing allowances

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Frankly I hope every church finds a ****house lawyer to get them around this just to piss off the atheists. It's so important to them to gig the church every chance they get. Go ahead and get the tax free status of churches removed. It will just allow them to spend their gazillions of dollars to go after every enemy they have. They have so much money it's not even going to be a contest.
    Why couldn't an atheist group form the church of total nonbelief and thus get the same subsidies as the rest of the churches?
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    Re: Judge strikes down law that gives clergy members tax-free housing allowances

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    That's all well and good. Should everyone who is of lower middle income be able to write off the cost of housing, then?

    or should the clergy have a special privilege just for being clergy?
    That's not what I said...If the house is owned by the church, it is exempt, if not, then the clergy gets the same breaks as everyone else. Would you like extra taxation for men of the cloth?
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    Re: Judge strikes down law that gives clergy members tax-free housing allowances

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Why couldn't an atheist group form the church of total nonbelief and thus get the same subsidies as the rest of the churches?
    Show that church in some sort of reality, and they have the same exemptions...But it is my understanding that Atheists say they don't have a church, or are part of any religion....Are you here to admit for them that their non belief is a religion?
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    Re: Judge strikes down law that gives clergy members tax-free housing allowances

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    That's not what I said...If the house is owned by the church, it is exempt, if not, then the clergy gets the same breaks as everyone else. Would you like extra taxation for men of the cloth?
    Not extra taxation, the same taxation.

    If I work for an employer that provides housing for its employees, that's a benefit of employment and thus a part of my compensation. I pay taxes on that compensation That's fair, as the guy renting pays rent post tax. How is it fair for clergy to get a similar compensation, and pay no taxes on it? That seems to me to be government subsidy of religion, which is contrary to the First Amendment.
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    Re: Judge strikes down law that gives clergy members tax-free housing allowances

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Why couldn't an atheist group form the church of total nonbelief and thus get the same subsidies as the rest of the churches?
    Yeah yeah sure, go ahead and make jokes. The tax exempt status is the separation people want. Once removed the church with have the power to do whatever it wants, and it will have 100's of millions of dollars to make it happen. Careful what you wish for.
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    Re: Judge strikes down law that gives clergy members tax-free housing allowances

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Not extra taxation, the same taxation.

    If I work for an employer that provides housing for its employees, that's a benefit of employment and thus a part of my compensation. I pay taxes on that compensation That's fair, as the guy renting pays rent post tax. How is it fair for clergy to get a similar compensation, and pay no taxes on it? That seems to me to be government subsidy of religion, which is contrary to the First Amendment.
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    http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p1828.pdf
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    Re: Judge strikes down law that gives clergy members tax-free housing allowances

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