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    Re: Obama Faces Backlash Over New Corporate Powers In Secret Trade Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackAsCoal View Post
    Or, it further reveals to his base that he's not one of them ..

    .. Or, incredible profit on life-saving drugs cannot be rationally explained.
    Sure it can....Profit motive is one of the benchmark reasons we are where we are today in nearly everything, from life saving drugs, to the plastics that make it possible for you to type what you are now typing on that marvel of technology you are using now.

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    Re: Obama Faces Backlash Over New Corporate Powers In Secret Trade Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    To keep from admitting to giving special deals to US big business interests that supply that, all important, campaign cash, obviously. Our congress critters, from both parties, do this constantly, and the POTUS signs these special deals into law. The less aware that the sheeple are then the less explaining (denying?) of that basic reality is required.

    Just as it is never said that added taxes levied on corporations/businesses are simply passed along to the end consumer as higher prices. It sounds very "fair" to tax "the rich" but only if the sheeple continue to think that they are not actually the ones being stuck with paying that added tax bill.
    That would be called the proverbial 'nail of the head.'

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    Re: Obama Faces Backlash Over New Corporate Powers In Secret Trade Deal

    Obviously you guys are all just hatin on Obama because he is black.

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    Re: Obama Faces Backlash Over New Corporate Powers In Secret Trade Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Sure it can....Profit motive is one of the benchmark reasons we are where we are today in nearly everything, from life saving drugs, to the plastics that make it possible for you to type what you are now typing on that marvel of technology you are using now.

    To say it is unfair to make a profit, would be to deny the world of inventions.
    No one suggests that profit should not factor into the issue. What I said was incredible profit. There are a plethora of studies that demonstrate that incredible profit here cannot be justified .. and that's why this is done in secret.

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    Re: Obama Faces Backlash Over New Corporate Powers In Secret Trade Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackAsCoal View Post
    No one suggests that profit should not factor into the issue. What I said was incredible profit. There are a plethora of studies that demonstrate that incredible profit here cannot be justified .. and that's why this is done in secret.
    So who decides "incredible"? Shall we go by percentage, or gross dollar amount? What's fair? And why should fairness factor into it...We aren't a socialist country, at least not yet, and not totally.
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    Re: Obama Faces Backlash Over New Corporate Powers In Secret Trade Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Some good points there. Obviously a drug company wants to create a better treatment/prevention, not a cure. Just as it is better to build a car for $10K that lasts 10 years than to build a car for $15K that lasts for 20 years, but better to buy a car that costs 50% more and yet lasts twice as long. Unfortunately, we can only buy what is built (or make our own).
    True, and when it comes to building our own medications, that is a bit risky.
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    Re: Obama Faces Backlash Over New Corporate Powers In Secret Trade Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So who decides "incredible"? Shall we go by percentage, or gross dollar amount? What's fair? And why should fairness factor into it...We aren't a socialist country, at least not yet, and not totally.
    BINGO :0)

    Of course we're not a socialist country, because healthcare and education would be free from cradle to grave. :0) That must seem barbaric to capitalists.

    But point being, what is 'incredible' should be open to review, not simply determined in a backroom in secret. Obama lied his way into office claiming that he would be open and not resort to the backroom .. then immediately went into the backroom to make deals with Big Pharma .. and here he is doing it again.

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    Re: Obama Faces Backlash Over New Corporate Powers In Secret Trade Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackAsCoal View Post
    No one suggests that profit should not factor into the issue. What I said was incredible profit. There are a plethora of studies that demonstrate that incredible profit here cannot be justified .. and that's why this is done in secret.
    Who gets to decide when a profit becomes an incredible profit?

    Does Microsoft make an incredible profit as well?
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    Re: Obama Faces Backlash Over New Corporate Powers In Secret Trade Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    It is copyright protection that allows the massive investment in developing the new drugs in the first place. If unable to "price gouge", for a limited period of time, then how is one expected to fund R&D for creating these new miracle drugs? If everyone is allowed to simply (and immediately) "reverse engineer" a new product, and crank out "low cost" clones of its own, then who is going to bother to fund the massive R&D effort to create the new product in the first place?
    To me, that is an excuse for corporations to gouge the customer. My wife has been taking Zyprexa for years. The cost of her prescription was $1,400.00 per month. A few months ago, Eli Lilly's patent ran out on the drug, and generic versions are now available. The cost for the generic version (Olanzapine) is now $29.00 per month.
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    Re: Obama Faces Backlash Over New Corporate Powers In Secret Trade Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    True, and when it comes to building our own medications, that is a bit risky.
    Self medicating has its moments.
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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