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    Protesters in Kiev Topple Lenin Statue as Rallies Grow

    By DAVID M. HERSZENHORN and ANDREW E. KRAMER
    Published: December 8, 2013

    KIEV, Ukraine — Protesters in Kiev, the capital of Ukraine, toppled the city’s main statue of Lenin on Sunday and then pounded it into chips with a sledgehammer as a crowd chanted and cheered. The destruction of the statue was a cathartic moment in the biggest day of demonstrations so far against President Viktor F. Yanukovich’s turn away from Europe...

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/09/wo...re-gather.html



    Interesting, this reminds me a bit of the dissolution of the Soviet Union, its surreal to see them protesting FOR free trade (or at least the EU version of it). Its also surreal to see that they still have statues of Lenin up in Ukraine.
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    Re: Protesters in Kiev Topple Lenin Statue as Rallies Grow

    Well at least Lenin still has his personality
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    Re: Protesters in Kiev Topple Lenin Statue as Rallies Grow

    Wow. Did they just learn that the Soviet Union disbanded?

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    Re: Protesters in Kiev Topple Lenin Statue as Rallies Grow

    Still it seems a very small group, all things considered and the mass protests in Greece and France where 10s of 1000s showed up,... last I read an actual esitmate it was in the 100s maybe a 1000. Seems to me very few are actually upset with the turn easterly rather than westerly but because westerners still demonize Russia, we are hearing about it. Hell we're having bigger protests here for minimum wage increase and it's hardly making a dent in media. So blow it out of proportion if you want, but it doesn't really seem like very many, not even a majority, are against closer ties with Russia and not joining the EU under the strict banker-thieves they would have to accommodate if they join the EU.
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    Re: Protesters in Kiev Topple Lenin Statue as Rallies Grow

    Symbolic gesture that they want to cut ties with Russia, and not having to be dependent on the Russian economy.


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    Re: Protesters in Kiev Topple Lenin Statue as Rallies Grow

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Still it seems a very small group, all things considered and the mass protests in Greece and France where 10s of 1000s showed up,... last I read an actual esitmate it was in the 100s maybe a 1000. Seems to me very few are actually upset with the turn easterly rather than westerly but because westerners still demonize Russia, we are hearing about it. Hell we're having bigger protests here for minimum wage increase and it's hardly making a dent in media. So blow it out of proportion if you want, but it doesn't really seem like very many, not even a majority, are against closer ties with Russia and not joining the EU under the strict banker-thieves they would have to accommodate if they join the EU.

    What makes you say that? Most major news outlets are reporting hundreds of thousands on the streets in Kiev while polls show a strong plurality favor the EU pact (45%) while strongly opposing a similar association with Russia and the Kazakh/Belarus customs union (only 14% support it). You appear to be incorrect.

    BBC News - Ukraine's capital Kiev gripped by huge pro-EU demonstration
    Poll Finds Ukrainians Favor EU Pact - WSJ.com

    Edit: The AP is estimating a crowd of at least 500,000.

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    Re: Protesters in Kiev Topple Lenin Statue as Rallies Grow

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    What makes you say that? Most major news outlets are reporting hundreds of thousands on the streets in Kiev while polls show a strong plurality favor the EU pact (45%) while strongly opposing a similar association with Russia and the Customs Union (only 14% support it). You appear to be incorrect.

    BBC News - Ukraine's capital Kiev gripped by huge pro-EU demonstration
    Poll Finds Ukrainians Favor EU Pact - WSJ.com
    I haven't really paid attention since Wednesday, I guess they've grown.
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    Re: Protesters in Kiev Topple Lenin Statue as Rallies Grow

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Still it seems a very small group, all things considered and the mass protests in Greece and France where 10s of 1000s showed up,... last I read an actual esitmate it was in the 100s maybe a 1000. Seems to me very few are actually upset with the turn easterly rather than westerly but because westerners still demonize Russia, we are hearing about it. Hell we're having bigger protests here for minimum wage increase and it's hardly making a dent in media. So blow it out of proportion if you want, but it doesn't really seem like very many, not even a majority, are against closer ties with Russia and not joining the EU under the strict banker-thieves they would have to accommodate if they join the EU.
    You make it sound like Westerners unfairly demonize Russia.

    We'd probably have a lot of Russian liberals disagree with that statement, but they keep on disappearing.
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    Re: Protesters in Kiev Topple Lenin Statue as Rallies Grow

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Symbolic gesture that they want to cut ties with Russia, and not having to be dependent on the Russian economy.
    'Coz who'd ever actually want to smash a statue of Lenin, right?
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    Re: Protesters in Kiev Topple Lenin Statue as Rallies Grow

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    What makes you say that? Most major news outlets are reporting hundreds of thousands on the streets in Kiev while polls show a strong plurality favor the EU pact (45%) while strongly opposing a similar association with Russia and the Kazakh/Belarus customs union (only 14% support it). You appear to be incorrect.

    BBC News - Ukraine's capital Kiev gripped by huge pro-EU demonstration
    Poll Finds Ukrainians Favor EU Pact - WSJ.com

    Edit: The AP is estimating a crowd of at least 500,000.
    Can you link to those polls please, as your second link requires subscription to view the article.

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