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    Re: Protesters in Kiev Topple Lenin Statue as Rallies Grow

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    He did during the revolution. JSTOR: An Error Occurred Setting Your User Cookie

    Political fervor, no doubt.
    I hadn't read Mises before but after seeing this I certainly will.

    At the heart of fascism lies state control of the economy. In this type of socialism, the government dictates economic decisions and the ostensible business owners must obey its orders. It was precisely this pattern that Mises found in Nazism, and, unfortunately, it has become increasingly prevalent in America today.

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    Re: Protesters in Kiev Topple Lenin Statue as Rallies Grow

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Lenin didnt believe in utopia neither do i
    C'mon. The man was a mass-murdering monster, but can't you at least allow for the possibility that he was a sincere mass-murdering monster?

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    Re: Protesters in Kiev Topple Lenin Statue as Rallies Grow

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Wow. Did they just learn that the Soviet Union disbanded?
    The filthy idols are still scattered around many towns in the Ukraine and Russia. The officials are hesitant to remove them all: in Russia (and around Donetsk), because it would infuriate the still-potent Communist minority; in the Ukraine, because it would be seen as an act of anti-Russian defiance.

    His mummy is still on display in that weird ziggurat on the Red Square in Moscow, you know. Surreal and deeply offensive, in what is supposed to be an Orthodox Christian country - even if it were not a body of a tyrant guilty of countless murders of innocents.
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    Re: Protesters in Kiev Topple Lenin Statue as Rallies Grow

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I hadn't read Mises before but after seeing this I certainly will.
    Glad to hear it, the Austrian school saw first hand how bad it could get-and especially considering the mentality in europe at the time-it was particularly insightful.

    Fascism and the modern American left share many of the same policies. And yet they have the nerve to refer to an American conservative (who holds the individual supreme) as Fascists with a superficial understanding of both fascism and conservatism, but hey, both are to the right of european socialism so we must be the same.

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    Re: Protesters in Kiev Topple Lenin Statue as Rallies Grow

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    The filthy idols are still scattered around many towns in the Ukraine and Russia. The officials are hesitant to remove them all: in Russia (and around Donetsk), because it would infuriate the still-potent Communist minority; in the Ukraine, because it would be seen as an act of anti-Russian defiance.

    His mummy is still on display in that weird ziggurat on the Red Square in Moscow, you know. Surreal and deeply offensive, in what is supposed to be an Orthodox Christian country - even if it were not a body of a tyrant guilty of countless murders of innocents.
    Absolutely correct.

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    Re: Protesters in Kiev Topple Lenin Statue as Rallies Grow

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    C'mon. The man was a mass-murdering monster, but can't you at least allow for the possibility that he was a sincere mass-murdering monster?
    For all the rhetoric he confined himself to his mansion in Moscow, and never even went further east into the USSR than Russia. Clearly a man of the people.

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    Re: Protesters in Kiev Topple Lenin Statue as Rallies Grow

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I hadn't read Mises before but after seeing this I certainly will.
    Something else he said always sticks with me.

    It cannot be denied that Fascism and similar movements aiming at the establishment of dictatorships are full of the best intentions and that their intervention has, for the moment, saved European civilization.
    "...it is all the more clear what we have to accomplish at present: I am referring to ruthless criticism of all that exists,"

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    Re: Protesters in Kiev Topple Lenin Statue as Rallies Grow

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Glad to hear it, the Austrian school saw first hand how bad it could get-and especially considering the mentality in europe at the time-it was particularly insightful.

    Fascism and the modern American left share many of the same policies. And yet they have the nerve to refer to an American conservative (who holds the individual supreme) as Fascists with a superficial understanding of both fascism and conservatism, but hey, both are to the right of european socialism so we must be the same.
    Yes, and they tend to simplify it all to left versus right (which is evil of course) and that's enough to satisfy their curiosity.. We see dozens examples of that daily..

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    Re: Protesters in Kiev Topple Lenin Statue as Rallies Grow

    Quote Originally Posted by instagramsci View Post
    It cannot be denied that Fascism and similar movements aiming at the establishment of dictatorships are full of the best intentions and that their intervention has, for the moment, saved European civilization.
    I'd like to see that in its context, Instagramsci. Saved European civilization from what?

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    Re: Protesters in Kiev Topple Lenin Statue as Rallies Grow

    Quote Originally Posted by instagramsci View Post
    Something else he said always sticks with me.
    By some definitions, and in the context of the times (hi there, context!) this is factually correct.

    But not beyond that, certainly economically, and certainly governmentally it is not.

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