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Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647]

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Am I wrong? Gays get denied cake and it's a huge deal. What if a black barber refuses to give me a haircut? That's okay because I'm some "white privilege prick", right?

Generally, I bet, most people don't go into places that don't want them there. I wouldn't go to a black barber shop and test it out.
 
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Oh yeah, I forgot. I'm a straight white male. I have no rights.

straight = sexual orientation
white = slang referring to race
male = gender

your rights are thoroughly protected just like all of ours are
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

Generally, I bet, most people don't go into places that don't want them there. I wouldn't go to a black barber shop and test it out.

Oh hell no I wouldn't either.

Just so you know, if I go into a Detroit barber shop and say, "Cut my hair, nigger", I expect you to file an anti-discrimination suit on my behalf...after you deliver my eulogy.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

Am I wrong? Gays get denied cake and it's a huge deal. What if a black barber refuses to give me a haircut? That's okay because I'm some "white privilege prick", right?

If the decision not to provide the service was based on your race then you have a case.
 
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Bovine feces.

The baker was ORDERED to make wedding cakes for gay couples.

100% factually false as proven by all the links in this thread including the one you posted.
there was no order to make the cake that is a complete lie.
 
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Nope. Blacks were allowed in the same theaters, restaurants, etc, except they had to sit in different (less choice) areas. So they were indeed served, in the same establishment...just not **equally**. (And how many bakeries even have public bathrooms?)

Somehow, you still dont see that by denying them a service that was offered to all others, they were treating them like 2nd class citizens. I doubt you ever will.

The legal repercussions for the bakery owner were minor. I cant help public reaction. It seems like an over-reaction to me but that is not the gay couple's or the court's fault.

That is absolutely false. Unless there was a door marked "colored" a Black person was not allowed entry into that establishment. Public bathrooms the same. If there wasn't one marked "colored" they were out of luck!

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And somehow you just don't get the idea that a man not wanting to violate his religious beliefs is his right to deny something that does just that.
 
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I don't understand the people defending discrimination. Some of the people doing so on this thread are surprising me, to be honest. I doubt that they are bigots. I just think that they think they have some zinger case.... but it is stupid.

hmmm yeah i havent really been keeping track but yes i doubt they are all personal bigots myself they just want to empower bigotry, discrimination and or unequal treatment and rights infringements

i personal can not nor could i ever want to empower those things, its the exact opposite of civility and what this country at least tries to do, takes us a while though lol
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

Am I wrong? Gays get denied cake and it's a huge deal. What if a black barber refuses to give me a haircut? That's okay because I'm some "white privilege prick", right?

nope if he denies you based on race then just like the baker he is a criminal too and broke the law. Basic facts and low 101
 
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Oh hell no I wouldn't either.

Just so you know, if I go into a Detroit barber shop and say, "Cut my hair, nigger", I expect you to file an anti-discrimination suit on my behalf...after you deliver my eulogy.

you wouldn't be denied service based on illegal discrimination so theres nothing to file :shrug:
youd probably win a Darwin award though
 
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Am I wrong? Gays get denied cake and it's a huge deal. What if a black barber refuses to give me a haircut? That's okay because I'm some "white privilege prick", right?

I dont believe that any barber, regardless of color, can deny you a haircut because you are white. Race is a protected class.
 
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If the decision not to provide the service was based on your race then you have a case.

yep basic common sense
 
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yes i did. I mocked your desire to let washington pick winners and losers in the "equal rights" game.

ok.

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That is absolutely false. Unless there was a door marked "colored" a Black person was not allowed entry into that establishment. Public bathrooms the same. If there wasn't one marked "colored" they were out of luck!

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And somehow you just don't get the idea that a man not wanting to violate his religious beliefs is his right to deny something that does just that.

you posting a picture of SOME places doesn't change the fact blacks were allowed some places, nothing you posted changes her post lol

facts defeat your post again
 
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I dont believe that any barber, regardless of color, can deny you a haircut because you are white. Race is a protected class.

100% correct
 
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you posting a picture of SOME places doesn't change the fact blacks were allowed some places, nothing you posted changes her post lol

facts defeat your post again


Silly because as you said....that doesnt exclude my example of the theaters and restaurants that had separate (generally lower quality) areas for blacks.

And also doesnt take into consideration that those signs and laws were applied differently in every state and even by county.
 
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you posting a picture of SOME places doesn't change the fact blacks were allowed some places, nothing you posted changes her post lol

facts defeat your post again

Yes it does change what she said because she wants to make this incident that happened to the baker comparative to what happened to blacks. If anyone wants to see what real discrimination looks like, look no further than what Blacks endured. To bring up the struggles of Blacks and compare it to a gay couple being denied a wedding cake is about as absurd as one can get. There were places Blacks were denied. period. Her statement is false. So when I asked did the baker hang a sign on his door denying gays entry and the answer is no, while Blacks were indeed denied entry to some establishments. When I asked did the baker's bakery have a bathroom marked for Straight people only, the answer is No. But Black folks were indeed denied public restroom facilities because unless it was marked colored, they were not permitted to use them. So to make the claim that this incident is in any way equal to what Blacks endured is absolutely asinine.
 
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Silly because as you said....that doesnt exclude my example of the theaters and restaurants that had separate areas for blacks.

And also doesnt take into consideration that those signs and laws were applied differently in every state and even by county.

correct and some states almost never did it at all in regards to stores and such
 
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And somehow you just don't get the idea that a man not wanting to violate his religious beliefs is his right to deny something that does just that.

I've said multiple times that I understand it (and do sympathize) but his obligation, under the laws of the state and his agreement to conduct a business under those laws, trumps his beliefs.

Not to mention that the religious owner serves many people that...by strictly and devoutly following Christian doctrine...he 'morally' should not. ANd I gave lots of examples, an entire list. So I bring up again his 'selectivity,' his playing the 'religion card.'
 
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Y1.)es it does change what she said
2.) because she wants to make this incident that happened to the baker comparative to what happened to blacks. If anyone wants to see what real discrimination looks like, look no further than what Blacks endured.
3.) To bring up the struggles of Blacks and compare it to a gay couple being denied a wedding cake is about as absurd as one can get.
4/) There were places Blacks were denied. period.
5.) Her statement is false.
6.) So when I asked did the baker hang a sign on his door denying gays entry and the answer is no, while Blacks were indeed denied entry to some establishments. When I asked did the baker's bakery have a bathroom marked for Straight people only, the answer is No.
7.) But Black folks were indeed denied public restroom facilities because unless it was marked colored, they were not permitted to use them.
8.) So to make the claim that this incident is in any way equal to what Blacks endured is absolutely asinine.

1.)nope it factually doesn't because her post was still 100% accurate and you didnt change that one bit. sorry facts defeat your post again
2.)it factually is comparative
3.) another failed strawman nobody called them identical only said it comparative and it is based on legal/civil and equal rights, this fact proves your post wrong
4.) correct, changes nothing as there are places gays were too
5.) nope was 100% accurate
6.) did she claimed the baker did? nope another meaningless point
7.) yes they were meaningless
8.) nope its factually true, as many blacks have stated, the claim was never made the suffering and the forms of discrimination were identical only that its about equal/civil and legal rights, which it is and this fact proves your claim wrong

facts defeat your post again
 
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post 50 more pictures her post will still be true and accurate

changes zero facts, nota, zilch
 
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Yes it does change what she said because she wants to make this incident that happened to the baker comparative to what happened to blacks. If anyone wants to see what real discrimination looks like, look no further than what Blacks endured. To bring up the struggles of Blacks and compare it to a gay couple being denied a wedding cake is about as absurd as one can get. There were places Blacks were denied. period. Her statement is false. So when I asked did the baker hang a sign on his door denying gays entry and the answer is no, while Blacks were indeed denied entry to some establishments. When I asked did the baker's bakery have a bathroom marked for Straight people only, the answer is No. But Black folks were indeed denied public restroom facilities because unless it was marked colored, they were not permitted to use them. So to make the claim that this incident is in any way equal to what Blacks endured is absolutely asinine.

To add to your comments, Vesper, this baker had always served Gays in the past. He just didn't want bake a cake for a Gay marriage because, like Barrack Obama and Bill Clinton, he supported traditional marriage. It was against his religion as well.

This whole thing abut Blacks is a crock, and even the dimmest of leftists must know it.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

Yes it does change what she said because she wants to make this incident that happened to the baker comparative to what happened to blacks. If anyone wants to see what real discrimination looks like, look no further than what Blacks endured. To bring up the struggles of Blacks and compare it to a gay couple being denied a wedding cake is about as absurd as one can get. There were places Blacks were denied. period. Her statement is false. So when I asked did the baker hang a sign on his door denying gays entry and the answer is no, while Blacks were indeed denied entry to some establishments. When I asked did the baker's bakery have a bathroom marked for Straight people only, the answer is No. But Black folks were indeed denied public restroom facilities because unless it was marked colored, they were not permitted to use them. So to make the claim that this incident is in any way equal to what Blacks endured is absolutely asinine.

It's not a *contest* Catholics, for example, are protected the same as blacks and gays. Did the Catholics suffer greatly in the US? Did Christians? The Irish? Italians? ALL protected the same.

I It was about how black people were treated in American society. They had separate laws....were treated like 2nd class citizens, they were not served in the same businesses or in the same manner as white Americans. They were discriminated against based on their race.

As shown by the OP, this is now a very similar issue to that which gays are fighting. They are being discriminated against because of their sexual orientation.

You may disagree that sexual orientation isnt deserving of being a protected class but there is no way to avoid the FACT that it is indeed a civil rights issue.

Blacks werent owed their civil rights because of slavery. They deserved their civil rights because they deserved to be treated EQUALLY.
 
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To add to your comments, Vesper, this baker had always served Gays in the past. He just didn't want bake a cake for a Gay marriage because, like Barrack Obama and Bill Clinton, he supported traditional marriage. It was against his religion as well.

This whole thing abut Blacks is a crock, and even the dimmest of leftists must know it.

yep just like people who served blacks out the back door in the ally but as soon as they act like they are equals and try to come in the front door they dont but its not because they are black its because they think they are equals and want equal rights, thats what makes it not discrimination lol <sarcasm off> wow that fallacy was easy to completely destroy.

facts defeat your post again, so does the court case and the court rulling
 
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post 50 more pictures her post will still be true and accurate

changes zero facts, nota, zilch

Oh really? according to who, you? She has gone on for pages using blacks suffrage equivalent to the gay couple that was denied a wedding cake because of the baker's moral convictions in regard to marriage. And it is unfounded rhetoric.

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