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Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647]

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vesper said:
Your claims of a Christ-like lifestyle are bogus because you can't even reconcile the fact the Christians follow Judiasm and their laws pertaining to homosexuality as being a sin. You are so far off base it would be comical if it weren't so sad.
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Funny. Most Jewish people I know do not think homosexuality is sinful and do not interpret the books of the Old Testament in that way. I wonder if I should trust the Jews on Judaism or you on Judaism. Hm...tough choice.
 
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CriticalThought said:
Let me be clear on something. Just because YOU can't argue against incest and pedophilia if same sex marriage is legal does not mean that other people cannot argue against those things. And trying to argue that supporting a CONSENSUAL relationship between adults would ever advance the rape of children is ridiculous and shows perfectly the kind of character you have.

So no, I did not misrepresent a damn thing.
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Yes you did.
 
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vesper said:
Your claims of a Christ-like lifestyle are bogus because you can't even reconcile the fact the Christians follow Judiasm and their laws pertaining to homosexuality as being a sin. You are so far off base it would be comical if it weren't so sad.
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*passes vesper a shrimp cocktail* Here enjoy an abomination!
 
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vesper said:
Your claims of a Christ-like lifestyle are bogus because you can't even reconcile the fact the Christians follow Judiasm and their laws pertaining to homosexuality as being a sin. You are so far off base it would be comical if it weren't so sad.
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You don't know as much about religion as you think you do.....that much is obvious.
 
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CriticalThought said:
Funny. Most Jewish people I know do not think homosexuality is sinful and do not interpret the books of the Old Testament in that way. I wonder if I should trust the Jews on Judaism or you on Judaism. Hm...tough choice.
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Reform Judaism the largest sect in the US supports gay marriage
 
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winston53660 said:
Well so can children enter into a legal binding contract?
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No but all it takes is a complying judge to lower the age that is legally binding.
 
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Lursa said:
Well, my high school girlfriend Debbie Zambrano's family bakery...very Italian Catholic....made lots of barmitzvah cakes and I know plenty of Jewish bakeries back East that made Christmas cakes and fantastic hot-crossed buns for Easter. So...they support those things that a truly devout person would not provide those services to them.

Most businesses, religious or not, serve people with whom they knowingly object to morally. And in these cases of religious beliefs, it appears they may be 'selective' in when they choose to "play the religious beliefs' card.
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That is a ridiculous argument.

Jesus was supposedly Jewish so why wouldn't a Catholic make a cake for their savior?

Is there any religious text that says thou shalt not make cakes for other religions?
 
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vesper said:
No but all it takes is a complying judge to lower the age that is legally binding.
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Actually no it would take a Constitutional amendment seeing that people can not vote till they are 18.
 
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vesper said:
Better yet... if you come across a baker that finds it against his moral conscience to bake a cake for your wedding,...move down the yellow pages to the next baker in the neighborhood that will bake you a friggin cake and not find it a need to press charges against the one who wouldn't because of moral conscience. DUH
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That would be obvious to most people.
 
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vesper said:
Another crap sandwich avoiding the constitutional rights of all.
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You couldnt answer it.

It isibased on their Constitutional rights. If sexual orientation is determined to be a protected class, as it is in Colo and other states, then they are deserving of the exact same protections as minorities, women, religions, etc.

*YOU* are the one claiming it is a moral decision, so "Do you make moral judgements against blacks for being black? Against Jews for being Jews? How can gays be who they are and NOT offend people like you?" Whats your answer?

Why are religions, which ARE a choice acceptable but sexual orientation is not?
 
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vesper said:
Yes you did.
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I'm still waiting for the examples of all the laws that are under attack across the world regarding pedophilia and incest marriages. You seem to live in a world where denying gays the right to marry is the only thing stopping a whole bunch of evil people from pushing through laws that would repeal age of consent laws and would allow siblings to get hitched. I'm sorry, but I don't live in that deluded and poorly informed world. I live in a world where I recognize that pedophiles can't ride the coattails of the gay rights movement because what they do is not consensual and where there is more justification to keeping family members from marrying than just "the gays can't do it so you can't either."
 
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vesper said:
WTF does this have to do with someone's constitutional rights? I don't give a damn what gay people do in their bedroom, or how they are attracted to one another. What I do find appalling is those who are gay and those who support them will violate the rights of others because of their moral conscience will haul them into court and sue them because they refused to bake them a damn wedding cake when there are several bakeries in the area that would have obliged them. This whole thing stinks because those gays who are demanding rights are willing to trample the rights of others just to make an f-ing statement to force their relationships down the throats of those who morally find them wrong. Can you feel the f-ing love?????
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I keep hearing in my head

I am here, I am queer, get used to it.
 
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disneydude said:
I suspect I know a lot more about Jesus Christ than you will ever know.
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I spent several years of my life studying Judiasm and 7 years studying the philosophies of the one I believe to be the Messiah. No I don't think you know Him any better than I do. Thank you very much.
 
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vesper said:
And because of your efforts to redefine marriage you will also have to deal with the consequences it will bring.
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What consequences are on their way?
 
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Lursa said:
It is not equivalent to slavery.

Slavery was ended well before the black civil rights movement. That was not about slavery AT ALL. It was about how black people were treated in American society. They had separate laws....were treated like 2nd class citizens, they were not served in the same businesses or in the same manner as white Americans. They were discriminated against based on their race.

As shown by the OP, this is now a very similar issue to that which gays are fighting. They are being discriminated against because of their sexual orientation.

You may disagree that sexual orientation isnt deserving of being a protected class but there is no way to avoid the FACT that it is indeed a civil rights issue.

Edit: Blacks werent owed their civil rights because of slavery. They deserved their civil rights because they deserved to be treated EQUALLY.
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That would be Southern society.

Blacks did not have separate anything In California or New York.

Did you not know this?
 
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Lursa said:
What consequences are on their way?
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Well look at what happened to Massachusetts being swallowed up by that giant sea monster!
 
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vesper said:
This whole thing stinks because those gays who are demanding rights are willing to trample the rights of others just to make an f-ing statement to force their relationships down the throats of those who morally find them wrong. Can you feel the f-ing love?????
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You talk a lot about choice. How about the choice of the baker who has a Colorado business license. Why not move to another state where they can discriminate at their leisure? It works both ways.

If the roles had been reversed and it was a Christian couple who was denied a cake by a gay business owner because he was compelled to dislike the Christian religion and on his principles he could not make them a cake and they sued him and won, then I imagine you would be praising the decision as a triumph.
 
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AGENT J said:
BINGO!

as a christian myself, if i thought the actions of him reflected on me id be embarrassed but i know better

next time that bigot will know better and not commit a crime
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You are absolutely right.

He will know what to do and not do next time, but I bet the price of the cakes have gone way up, and I mean way up.
 
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vesper said:
I did not compare homosexuality to pedophilla. I stated different types of sexual relations outside the traditional definition of marriage and how they will eventually be challenged using the same basis as "discrimination" as gays have used. You are the one that went bonkers and misrepresented my words.
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The distinction between those "relationships" was clearly describe for you by more than one person and it's incredibly sad that they had to.

Gay relationships are consensual between 2 adults (performing the same acts that many straight couples do, whether you like to think that or not) and affect no one anymore than straight relationships do. Pedophilia and incest with minors is sexual and mental abuse of minors who cannot consent and may be damaged for life.

Do you not see how that is offensive? It's not nearly "the same basis" and they will not 'gain' protected class status for their abuse of others.
 
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Mason66 said:
1.)You are absolutely right.

2.) He will know what to do and not do next time, but I bet the price of the cakes have gone way up, and I mean way up.
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1.) i know
2.)as long as this criminal stops breaking the law he'll have nothing to worry :shrug:
 
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Mason66 said:
That would be Southern society.

Blacks did not have separate anything In California or New York.

Did you not know this?
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Banks and realtors practiced red lining in NY, a orm of segregation.
 
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Mason66 said:
Really?

Which one had those babies?
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Do you ask every adoptive family which one had the babies? Seems like that would be rather tactless and pointless.
 
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