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Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647]

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and now who knows what marriage will evolve into.

lol

"Dogs and cats, living together...."
 
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Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

Because you or I may think they are obcene doesn't necessarily mean they are obscene to another person. And because they don't find it obscene and a baker refuses to create them that is discrimination pal in the way you have framed it.

I was a cake decorator for years. My shop was off the house. I was good at it and it was a way for me to generate income while my husband worked a fulltime job and earned his degree at nights. It also allowed me the opportunity to stay home with my children while they were young. I experienced over the years sitting down with customers, as they described to me what they wanted on the cake. And I have to tell you there were times I had to refuse because I wouldn't want my name on that piece of trash they were asking for. Wedding cakes were the most stressful of all. After you incorporate all that the couple wanted to express in their cake, the transportation of the cake to its destination and setting it up was one of the most stressful things I have ever done. You fight the elements, pot holes and railroad tracks. Today under all the new so called "discrimination" laws I would have been facing court time myself if some asshole wanted to file charges against me for not wanting to provide them with a cake that I didn't want my name associated with.

Good for you, for a few reasons! But related to this discussion, for refusing to create cakes that you considered were trash. You had every right to. But there is a difference between things like good taste, obscene, offensive, etc and *discrimination.* And the law isnt that complicated. If you had a business license, which I assume you did, it would have been clearly stated.
 
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I don't care what "other" people think. Do you believe that homosexuality is comparable to pedophilia?

They're both sexual deviants so yes.
 
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I don't care what "other" people think. Do you believe that homosexuality is comparable to pedophilia?
Let me put it this way, I have gay friends and acquaintances. I would be the first to defend them their rights in regard life, liberty and property. And I would be very disappointed in them if they would not support my rights to the same. I despise pediphiles but that doesn't change the fact that there are those among us who do not find it immoral. There are laws being challenged all over the world in regard to pedophiles and incest marriages to be acceptable using discrimination as their basis for their argument. There are those who support man/boy woman/girl love encounters. Where does the line get drawn since the definition of marriage has been changed?
 
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Sooo, if they are not willing to support other forms of relationships such as incest, poligamy and pedophilia then by their own standards they are discriminating and are bigots themselves.

Incest (with one partner sterilized) and polygamy are fine. Pedo is rape. Discrimination is not inherently bad. It's ok to be bigoted against rape.
 
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There are laws being challenged all over the world in regard to pedophiles and incest marriages...

I think you have been misinformed.
 
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They're both sexual deviants so yes.

based on what facts? id love to read them

comparing them in an equal rights discussion is completely illogical and there no support to compare them, there will be no argument you can present to make the compassion logical and rational. They are legally, intellectually and factually different.
 
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based on what facts? id love to read them

comparing them in an equal rights discussion is completely illogical and there no support to compare them, there will be no argument you can present to make the compassion logical and rational. They are legally, intellectually and factually different.

They are both Genetic abnormalities or defective people.
Or are you going to argue that it's a choice now?
 
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Good for you, for a few reasons! But related to this discussion, for refusing to create cakes that you considered were trash. You had every right to. But there is a difference between things like good taste, obscene, offensive, etc and *discrimination.* And the law isnt that complicated. If you had a business license, which I assume you did, it would have been clearly stated.

Not today, because trash as you and I may see it, can no longer be discriminated against because that means we have made a moral judgment. And under the discrimination laws in certain states that isn't allowed.
 
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1.)Let me put it this way, I have gay friends and acquaintances.
2.) I would be the first to defend them their rights in regard life, liberty and property.
3.) And I would be very disappointed in them if they would not support my rights to the same.
4.) I despise pediphiles but that doesn't change the fact that there are those among us who do not find it immoral.
5.) There are laws being challenged all over the world in regard to pedophiles and incest marriages to be acceptable using discrimination as their basis for their argument.
6.) There are those who support man/boy woman/girl love encounters. Where does the line get drawn since the definition of marriage has been changed?

1.) meaningless
2.) but you factually are not this thread proves that
3.) and in this case your rights are fine and in tact
4.) doesnt answer the question

there are people among us that think rape and murder is ok too doesnt make them comparable

5.) this is america rape and types of killings arent illegal other places to, meanignless

6.) meqningless

7.) the line ends at equal rights and illegal discriminant and marriage hasn't been changed.

now stop dodging the questions

do you think homo/hetero-sexuality is comparable to child rape?
do you know what illegal discrimination is? if yes explain it
 
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Is it your 'right' to buy a wedding cake that someone else doesn't want to prepare? I suppose they missed that in the Constitution.

It was your right to refuse service to negroes at your lunch counter, that you now wish to extend to homosexuals, but only if for their wedding day. I suppose that by calling it a wedding cake that makes the flour, water and sugar somehow different in your narrow mind. The baker is now said to be "participating" in (supporting?) a homosexual wedding? Does this apply to mixed religious weddings? Weddings held outside of (approved) churches? Weddings after divorce? What of a "religious" pacifist - can they "conscientiously" deny service to GIs?

The idea that one can discriminate among the members of the general public that they will (or will not) serve has indeed been declared unconstitutional. Using a new "religious" twist, but only for X products to Y people, does not fly.
 
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They are both Genetic abnormalities or defective people.
Or are you going to argue that it's a choice now?

so you have no facts to support your statement then? thats what i thought but when you do let us know.
 
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I think you have been misinformed.
I don't think so, in fact I know I haven't be misinformed.
 
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Not today, because trash as you and I may see it, can no longer be discriminated against because that means we have made a moral judgment. And under the discrimination laws in certain states that isn't allowed.

thank you for proving you don't understand what illegal discrimination is.
Are you from america?

If you disagree tell us what it is please
 
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1.) meaningless
2.) but you factually are not this thread proves that
3.) and in this case your rights are fine and in tact
4.) doesnt answer the question

there are people among us that think rape and murder is ok too doesnt make them comparable

5.) this is america rape and types of killings arent illegal other places to, meanignless

6.) meqningless

7.) the line ends at equal rights and illegal discriminant and marriage hasn't been changed.

now stop dodging the questions

do you think homo/hetero-sexuality is comparable to child rape?
do you know what illegal discrimination is? if yes explain it
Because you tag meaningless, irrelevant, etc. etc. to anything I state, how about you providing PROOF for your hyperbole you continue to spew?
 
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They are both Genetic abnormalities or defective people.
Or are you going to argue that it's a choice now?

Meh. People who do the whole, "if it isn't a choice it is a defect" thing amuse me. I'll remember how defective I am while I enjoy my relationship, my friends, and my career where I have the privilege of trying to make a difference in the world. People can call it whatever they want. It says more about their obvious fear of diversity when they choose to see variation as inherently defective than it says about me.
 
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Because you tag meaningless, irrelevant, etc. etc. to anything I state, how about you providing PROOF for your hyperbole you continue to spew?
translation: you are dodging the questions

i will ask you again:
do you think homo/hetero-sexuality is comparable to child rape?
do you know what illegal discrimination is? if yes explain it
 
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I don't think so, in fact I know I haven't be misinformed.

No, you clearly do not know what you are talking about. But please, enlighten us. Post some links of these laws being challenged all over the world in regard to pedophiles and incest marriages. I would love for you to educate me so that I am not ignorant of this great threat.
 
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translation: you are dodging the questions

i will ask you again:
do you think homo/hetero-sexuality is comparable to child rape?
do you know what illegal discrimination is? if yes explain it

He will never answer that first question. And therein lies the answer.
 
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He will never answer that first question. And therein lies the answer.

i didnt think he would but its polite to give a person a opportunity to explain their positions instead of guessing
 
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i didnt think he would but its polite to give a person a opportunity to explain their positions instead of guessing

There is no guessing. He slipped up and let it out. He was challenged on it. Directly asked. He play the "I have gay friends" card.

He has had numerous chances to simply say he does not believe homosexuality is comparable to child molestation. He has refused to answer. As such, it is quite clear how he feels about it.
 
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thank you for proving you don't understand what illegal discrimination is.
Are you from america?

If you disagree tell us what it is please

There are several definitions of discrimination from philosophical to the United Nations' definition. Defined by the dictionary it means, make an unjust or prejudicial distinction in the treatment of different categories of people or things, esp. on the grounds of race, sex, or age. So to deny a customer of a trashy theme for a cake is indeed discriminating over a "thing".
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

There are several definitions of discrimination from philosophical to the United Nations' definition. Defined by the dictionary it means, make an unjust or prejudicial distinction in the treatment of different categories of people or things, esp. on the grounds of race, sex, or age. So to deny a customer of a trashy theme for a cake is indeed discriminating over a "thing".

untied nations is meaningless to the united states of america laws and rights

BUT if you want to talk about the UN who just earliey this year mad a committee to fight against the discrimination of gays you can start that thread and ill provide you with the info
thank you again for proving you dont know what it is and that penis cake does not apply

it is factually not illegal discrimination your post loses and gets destroyed by facts again
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

No, you clearly do not know what you are talking about. But please, enlighten us. Post some links of these laws being challenged all over the world in regard to pedophiles and incest marriages. I would love for you to educate me so that I am not ignorant of this great threat.
Do your own searches Critical and as a suggestion you may want to start with "under-aged sex being challenged" or "incest laws being challenged"
 
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