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Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647]

Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

Discrimination is not the act of equality...

correct which is why this was a crime and why equality is being protected and the protection is spreading.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

If everyone has the same rights then they are indeed equal.

Look, you can try to loop this around all you like... if people are being discriminated against then they are not being treated equally. Just a fact. Go ahead though...
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

correct which is why this was a crime and why equality is being protected and the protection is spreading.

Bigoted arguments always confound me... Henrin and vesper want to discriminate and when they can't they act as if they are the victim. :lol:
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

Look, you can try to loop this around all you like... if people are being discriminated against then they are not being treated equally. Just a fact. Go ahead though...

I will. If all people have the right to control access to their property(they must for property rights to be protected), then they are indeed equal. No one ever said that people would be fair with the use of their rights, but that doesn't make it not their right.
 
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I know....as I posted earlier, it seems (we'll stick with bakeries here) that religious bakery owners (Muslim, Christian, etc.)...

--have no issues creating wedding cakes for athiests.

--Or Jews refusing to make Christmas cakes (Jewish bakeries back East rock!).

--Muslim bakers refusing to make christening cakes for baby girls

--I thought Grant's example was good, a Muslim bakery refusing to create a cake saying Jesus is Savior for a Christian church gathering.

-- Or Muslims or Christians to refuse making a cake for a barmitzvah (sp).

How often do you hear of these things? Ever? Businesses are in business to DO BUSINESS, not support their own agendas.

At it's most basic, several religions dont believe in the right or choice of others to practice OTHER religions. (Christians and Muslims, for ex)...so how can you justifying serving others outside your religion at all? You are supporting their ability to exist as infidels or in sin (or whatever).

To live in this country and run a business....you need to set aside such extreme beliefs if you hold them. It's called 'tolerance.' As a Christian, I think the bakers in this story are wrong because God claims he is the ultimate judge and he gave us all free will. He didnt give other people permission to judge OR control other people's free will.

If Jews or Muslims ever did this it would be front page news... Let's just make some money, is what I say. I need it.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

Look, you can try to loop this around all you like... if people are being discriminated against then they are not being treated equally. Just a fact. Go ahead though...

What Henrin doesn't get is that he is starting from a faulty premise...that somehow there is this "natural" or "in born" right to discriminate freely. If you mistakenly believe that such a right exists...then it follows that you can freely disregard the laws of the land or the U.S. Constitution because you have this "natural" right to do so. It IS somewhat circular though....
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

Bigoted arguments always confound me... Henrin and vesper want to discriminate and when they can't they act as if they are the victim. :lol:

bingo!
nailed it, the false victim card is definitely being played
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

I will. If all people have the right to control access to their property(they must for property rights to be protected), then they are indeed equal. No one ever said that people would be fair with the use of their rights, but that doesn't make it not their right.

Businesses open to the public...
Businesses open to the public...
Businesses open to the public...
Businesses open to the public...
Businesses open to the public...

Businesses open to the public... this is what you keep ignoring.

Businesses open to the public... have agreed, tacitly, to abide by anti-discrimination laws.

Ignore it again though... :roll:
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

What Henrin doesn't get is that he is starting from a faulty premise...that somehow there is this "natural" or "in born" right to discriminate freely. If you mistakenly believe that such a right exists...then it follows that you can freely disregard the laws of the land or the U.S. Constitution because you have this "natural" right to do so. It IS somewhat circular though....

Yes, I will tune in to the boy that's believes we are all slaves to the state and doesn't realize it.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

bingo!
nailed it, the false victim card is definitely being played

My ex did this... she would abuse me and the one time out of hundreds that I got mad or yelled in response confirmed to her that she was the victim. Repeat cycle.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

Businesses open to the public...
Businesses open to the public...
Businesses open to the public...
Businesses open to the public...
Businesses open to the public...

Businesses open to the public... this is what you keep ignoring.

Businesses open to the public... have agreed, tacitly, to abide by anti-discrimination laws.

Ignore it again though... :roll:

You mean the concept created by law? Yeah, I realize it all right. Anything else?
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

My ex did this... she would abuse me and the one time out of hundreds that I got mad or yelled in response confirmed to her that she was the victim. Repeat cycle.

Yes, because abusing you physically is most definitely the same as understanding human rights.
 
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You mean the concept created by law? Yeah, I realize it all right. Anything else?

Did you answer the one about playing your music loud enough to wake up neighbours at a party at your house at 3am? Is that a natural right?

Should police not be allowed to enforce that?
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

Yes, because abusing you physically is most definitely the same as understanding human rights.

Emotionally... a couple of times physically, but anyway, it was an analogy about victimization.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

Did you answer the one about playing your music loud enough to wake up neighbours at a party at your house at 3am? Is that a natural right?

Should police not be allowed to enforce that?

Is this 100 random questions? I don't much care for that game.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

Emotionally... a couple of times physically, but anyway, it was an analogy about victimization.

A bad one that I would say showed you don't understand the conversion you're involved in.
 
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Is this 100 random questions? I don't much care for that game.

It just goes to show your consistency. You know, sometimes it is natural rights but others it isn't. But not answering is an answer itself... and telling.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

A bad one that I would say showed you don't understand the conversion you're involved in.

This argument is about perceived victimization of those that want to express their bigotry... I understand exactly what this conversation is about.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

My ex did this... she would abuse me and the one time out of hundreds that I got mad or yelled in response confirmed to her that she was the victim. Repeat cycle.

yep its not uncommon to ignore facts when one likes fantasy better
 
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Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

Businesses open to the public...
Businesses open to the public...
Businesses open to the public...
Businesses open to the public...
Businesses open to the public...

Businesses open to the public... this is what you keep ignoring.

Businesses open to the public... have agreed, tacitly, to abide by anti-discrimination laws.

Ignore it again though... :roll:

dont use facts to destory failed and factually wrong arguments they will just be ignored
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

yep its not uncommon to ignore facts when one likes fantasy better

And consistency is non-existent....just manipulating to fit a situation.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

What do you think pursuit of happiness includes? Property? Indeed.

You might also want to figure out the basis of the other two on the list. :D

a homeless man can still to be happy.

if you base happiness only on the basis how much property you own, that is a sad life.
 
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And consistency is non-existent....just manipulating to fit a situation.

correct, its silly.
THis is why when asked for examples and facts that logically support those claims done can be given. Its all excuses and but but buts.

These arguments have all been heard before in favor of discrimianiton race, gender, religion etc and all the arguments were stupid, bigoted and or mentally inept then and that holds true today.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

A bad one that I would say showed you don't understand the conversion you're involved in.

except some of us have facts laws, rights, court cases and court precedence on our side, what do you have supporting the failed, illogical arguments you posted?
 
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And gays do not decide to be gay.
And the bold is one of the craziest things I've ever read on this topic.

OK so slight thing your not understanding. I believe that they should have equal rights, just not that they should sue because they haven't grown up enough to realize discrimination happened to everyone.

That being said my frist part of your quote im commenting on is "And gays do not decide to be gay." You do realize everything we do is regulated by decision making parts of our brain. We control those regions meticulously. Saying they don't have a choice in the matter is like saying murderers had no choice but to murder. (i know not the best comparison but you see what im saying)

And second "And the bold is one of the craziest things I've ever read on this topic." Is it really though? consider the most basic cause of all discrimination and segregation in the world. Differences. black people were segregated for no other reason then they were black. The middle and lower classes throughout history were discriminated against for the singular reason that they didn't have as much money as the higher classes.

My point in that statement you so kindly called crazy, was that the only way to end all discrimination everywhere, is to create across the board equality, in everything from appearance, to social standings, to basic necessities. And as that is not going to happen, people should stop trying to stop sueing people for something that everyone will experience in their lives. Where would the world be if everyone sued everyone for everything. The answer is anarchy.
 
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