re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]
1. I don't live in Colorado so I have no voice in the matter.
2. The law that was violated by the baker was the Colorado Anti Discrimination Act, not a law that I made or proposed in any shape, way, or form.
3. The baker chose to obtain a business license in Colorado and run his business in Colorado under that state's laws. I did not make that choice for that baker.
4. The baker chose to deny ONLY gay customers of a wedding cake and to base his decision on religious sensibilities. I was not that customer.
5. The court decided that the baker violated the state law. I was not the judge.
So how am I involved? What exactly did I do?
I certainly want to protect religious beliefs. But do I want to do so to the expense of others? Did you ask at any point what the religious beliefs of the customers were? Did you care? Or because the baker's religious views aligned with your own did you feel his discrimination was justified?
All those personal attacks revealed a lot about your psychology and paranoia. You, you, you! I find it sad when people resort to assumptions about what people intend. The moment you jump into pretending you know another man's intentions, you lose any credibility you have in a discussion and embarrass the hell out of yourself. It is childish, immature, and self effacing.
1. Dude,
you are the one arguing the case from that side, not me... so either stick to your side or cave if you are unwilling to stand by your arguments.
2. I posit that the Colorado law is unconstitutional in this instance... I am in no manner required to trust in what some liberal Colorado judge decides, especially when it goes directly in contradiction to one of our original and guaranteed rights. If those in Colorado want to amend the US Constitution... well, they will just have to go about it in the prescribed manners. Until then their laws in this area are total bunkum.
3. See 2 above
4. See 2 above
5. See 2 above.
Listen, don't know if you have really thought this out at all, but whether you like it or not this is going to be
at the expense of one side or the other. There is no win win... and it appears you want gay rights to win over all others. Religious rights trump, sorry, they just do. Now, if this were the only baker in Colorado, maybe we could have an actual debate over the matter... but to sue to force these folks to go against their stated religious principles is a complete travesty and, I would suspect, an agenda driven move to intimidate others.
Did I ever ask the "religious beliefs of the customers"? What would be the relevance of that, exactly? They can pick and choose who they want to based on whatever their criteria might be... as long as who they choose accepts their commission to bake this special cake. If their religious beliefs don't match, they go someplace else. They would not in any way be forced to get their cake from that bakery or any other. Right? Apples and oranges.
Listen, I hope you don't charge for your consults, because you would owe me at this point...and perhaps have a malpractice suit. What it should have revealed is that I, as have others, have had just about enough with government telling me what I they think I MUST believe, by force of law. Your pop psychology assessment, tho, does tell us a lot about you. In the end, I think I would say take your juvenile pablum, that you might actually be able to persuade others as mimicking actual intelligence, elsewhere please... I am in no need such libertarian pseudo-psychological analysis.
What a laugh there guy, do you actually read what you write? :lamo
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