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Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647]

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sangha said:
And you believed me, which shows you haven't
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Nahh... just messing with a simplistic bomb thrower is all. Light a match, toss and walk away without any real thought, without any real substance added... that's all.
 
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digsbe said:
The bigotry lies in forcing someone to go against their beliefs via their private business to provide you with a service for something they believe is wrong.

This goes beyond gay "rights" and gets into bullying through the courts.
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I'm curious. Some people interpret certain passages out of the Bible as suggesting that people should not marry outside their race. If people who hold that particular religious interpretation were to deny services to an interracial couple, would you feel the same way as you do in this situation? Or is your opinion in this matter entirely because you view homosexuality as sinful?

Just to be clear, I am not asking you to debate the validity of the Biblical interpretation of those who believe that interracial marriage is immoral, only whether or not you would respect their religious view to the extent that you believe that they should be free to discriminate on what services they provide based on it.
 
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digsbe said:
How so? Baking a cake for the purpose of honoring a gay relationship (a gay marriage) may be something the baker views as supporting that or going against his convictions. On the flip side, if a business felt it was wrong to support religion because religion brings about all the world's ills (in their view) I shouldn't be able to force the baker into servitude and have them bake for my church event. Part of his religious practice could be to live a moral life and not do things that go against what he believes is wrong. It's part of the "free exercise thereof." Religion is more than ritual, for many it's a way of life and permeates everything that they do with their actions and live existing to honor God or live along a certain path.
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The baker is free to have whatever "convictions" he wants to have. However, baking a cake has never been considered a religious practice, so it gets no protection from the constitution.
 
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ernst barkmann said:
but the constitution is clear no one can be put into.......... involuntary servitude...unless a crime has been committed, discrimination is not a crime.
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Yes, because slavery is all about capturing africans and bringing them to america to bake wedding cakes
 
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sangha said:
Yes, because slavery is all about capturing africans and bringing them to america to bake wedding cakes
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you can slice it and dice it.......... but your cant get around the 13th amendment.
 
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digsbe said:
I think Jesus wouldn't support people living in sin. He was kind to the woman who was sleeping around, but he did tell her to go and sin no more.
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Well since we are in the realm of personal, subjective interpretation of what Jesus would or would not condone, I am going to argue that Jesus actually affirmed a gay couple in the story of the Roman centurion. And since faith works by just believing, I am going to state you are wrong.
 
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This is setting a difficult precedent.

What if someone comes into the shop and wants a cake decorated to look like a penis? Should the shop be required to make the cake even though doing so offends their sensibilities? Should they be required to decorate a cake for neo-nazi's who want a swastika cake?

In Arizona it's legal to sell medical marijuana. I can guarantee you that I won't do a tax return for a marijuana business. Is that discrimination? Damned right it is!
 
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Lutherf said:
This is setting a difficult precedent.

What if someone comes into the shop and wants a cake decorated to look like a penis? Should the shop be required to make the cake even though doing so offends their sensibilities? Should they be required to decorate a cake for neo-nazi's who want a swastika cake?

In Arizona it's legal to sell medical marijuana. I can guarantee you that I won't do a tax return for a marijuana business. Is that discrimination? Damned right it is!
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You are kidding, right? Colorado has a nondiscrimination law that protects people from discrimination based on sexual orientation. That was the law that the baker violated. The baker had baked cakes for dog weddings, but he would not bake a cake for a gay wedding because the people who requested it were gay. That is pretty clear cut.

What does a penis cake have to do with denying people services because they are gay? And do you think Nazis are protected under Colorado's nondiscrimination law?
 
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Lutherf said:
This is setting a difficult precedent.

1.) What if someone comes into the shop and wants a cake decorated to look like a penis? Should the shop be required to make the cake even though doing so offends their sensibilities?
2.) Should they be required to decorate a cake for neo-nazi's who want a swastika cake?

In Arizona it's legal to sell medical marijuana. I can guarantee you that I won't do a tax return for a marijuana business. Is that discrimination? Damned right it is!
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1.) what does an obscene cake have to do with illegal discrimination and or violation of equal rights?
2.) also what does swastikas have to do with illegal discrimination and or violation of equal rights?

there is no legal precedence between the things mentioned above and illegal discrimination and or equal rights.
 
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sangha said:
Yes, because slavery is all about capturing africans and bringing them to america to bake wedding cakes
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not to mention there is no force :shrug:
 
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sangha said:
The baker is free to have whatever "convictions" he wants to have. However, baking a cake has never been considered a religious practice, so it gets no protection from the constitution.
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Disingenuous oversimplification. Its not just the baking of a cake, it is not just some baked cake, one that was already for sale off the shelf...it is a special cake, a wedding cake that has, for many if not most, religious significance.
 
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Gaugingcatenate said:
Disingenuous oversimplification. Its not just the baking of a cake, it is not just some baked cake, one that was already for sale off the shelf...it is a special cake, a wedding cake that has, for many if not most, religious significance.
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no it has no "religious significance" lol thats what is disingenuous
 
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Gaugingcatenate said:
Disingenuous oversimplification. Its not just the baking of a cake, it is not just some baked cake, one that was already for sale off the shelf...it is a special cake, a wedding cake that has, for many if not most, religious significance.
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Let me emphasize this...this baker baked cakes for DOG WEDDINGS!

Now please continue to explain about the whole religious significance thing.
 
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CriticalThought said:
Let me emphasize this...this baker baked cakes for DOG WEDDINGS!

Now please continue to explain about the whole religious significance thing.
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dogs good > gays evil

marrying a dog is cute and funny and NOT a smudge on the utmost holy sanctity of religious marriage to always be taken seriously and nobody else has a right to this word

same sex marriage is the devils work and totally offensive even though it has nothing to do with religion ;)
 
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disneydude said:
How exactly is baking a cake..."acoomplishing their continued sinning"....but selling them a loaf of bread is not? How does a wedding cake "accomplish their continued sinning". You are providing a product...period.
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I wonder what other religions consider homosexuality a sin besides Christianity and Islam? I'm no expert, so I dont know but if it's considered a sin, that would be a religious belief...and thus not even relevant to the law.

Edit: again, as mentioned earlier, it depends somewhat (before court challenges) on if sexual orientation is protected in CO.
 
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Gaugingcatenate said:
Another one that needs to get a clue.
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translation: you have no defense for you failed strawman factually wrong statement

let us know when you do
 
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disneydude said:
BTW..Digs......if this baker REALLY wanted to show he was a "Christian" he should start by demonstrating it. Actions speak louder than words. Jesus himself NEVER engaged in bigotry like this guy.
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No...he just made sure his message was clear. Go forth...and sin no more.

Since...you know...you are all churchy and stuff...
 
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CriticalThought said:
Let me emphasize this...this baker baked cakes for DOG WEDDINGS!

Now please continue to explain about the whole religious significance thing.
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I found it, we were wrong!

THou shall not be married until thou consumes that oh so significant religious symbol of soft, sweet food made fromith a mixture ot of flour, shortening, they eggs, sugar and yellow dye O' numberth 5

Hines Duncan 3:16
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CriticalThought said:
Let me emphasize this...this baker baked cakes for DOG WEDDINGS!

Now please continue to explain about the whole religious significance thing.
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ahhh...but were they heterosexual dogs? :lamo


Wedding Customs - Covenant Symbols in Christian Wedding Customs and Traditions look about 2/3 of the way down the page, you will see it under Cutting and Feeding the Cake.

Symbolic Christian Wedding Activities | eHow under Cutting the Cake.
 
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VanceMack said:
No...he just made sure his message was clear. Go forth...and sin no more.

Since...you know...you are all churchy and stuff...
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Yep, because Jesus has a long history of denying people baked goods. Oh...wait.
 
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Gaugingcatenate said:
ahhh...but were they heterosexual dogs? :lamo


Wedding Customs - Covenant Symbols in Christian Wedding Customs and Traditions look about 2/3 of the way down the page, you will see it under Cutting and Feeding the Cake.

Symbolic Christian Wedding Activities | eHow under Cutting the Cake.
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So...does he deny people of other religious faiths of having wedding cakes?

The problem here is you are trying to make a ludicrous case for the guy, when the only people he was discriminating against in this matter was a gay couple. If he had made cakes only for fellow Christians then he might have had a case, but it was pretty clear that he was discriminating against these customers because they were gay, not out of religious principle.
 
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AGENT J said:
dogs good > gays evil

marrying a dog is cute and funny and NOT a smudge on the utmost holy sanctity of religious marriage to always be taken seriously and nobody else has a right to this word

same sex marriage is the devils work and totally offensive even though it has nothing to do with religion ;)
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Wow, looks like you are kinda getting a clue. One is definitely against the beliefs of some religious people, the other clearly is not... so I am glad you can discern a difference, you are coming along nicely now.
 
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Gaugingcatenate said:
ahhh...but were they heterosexual dogs? :lamo


Wedding Customs - Covenant Symbols in Christian Wedding Customs and Traditions look about 2/3 of the way down the page, you will see it under Cutting and Feeding the Cake.

Symbolic Christian Wedding Activities | eHow under Cutting the Cake.
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"customs" are now religious significance thats awesome (except in cases of dogs)

wow thats desperation at its finest, sorry that false statement and strawman is still complete failure and factually wrong
 
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