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Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647]

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Gaugingcatenate said:
Is the wedding of two gay folk an effort to stop them from sinning, as I think the Christian religion is against the idea, as in a man should not lay with another man...or, rather, is it a confirmation that they will be continuing to sin in that very way?
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Christ himself never spoke on the subject...and many Christian religions are not against the idea, although many are. Regardless...you cannot hide behind religion as an excuse for bigotry. That is exactly what this Court said. If you choose to do business in this country, you have to comply with the laws of this land. You cannot use your religion as a shield to promote your bigotry and decide who you want to allow to patronize your business. This is the same ruling that prevented bigoted restaurant owners from refusing to serve blacks, just because they believed it violated their perverted version of "morality".
 
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specklebang said:
Apparently not right. Of course, I'm not a Constitutional scholar. Or a Judge. But as far as I know, that is the law of the land and the Constitutional defense, no doubt brought up by the defendants attorney, did not pass muster.

I don't make these laws. I just abide by them. The laws don't care if I agree with them - I must follow them or pay the price.
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Well, that is supposition on your part, of course... its common sense that is should very well have "passed muster". We currently have far too many activist judges in the system, liberals who do not follow the Constitution and instead subvert it.
 
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Gaugingcatenate said:
Religious freedom is one of the most PRIMARY of constitutional mandates, my fellow citizen. Mandates meaning something completely different here, I might add. ;):lamo:mrgreen:
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Bigotry in the name of religion is still bigotry. Our Constitution does not allow disparate treatment of individuals. This is exactly why the bigots of the 50-60's couldn't use their "morality" to refuse to serve blacks.
 
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Gaugingcatenate said:
Well, that is supposition on your part, of course... its common sense that is should very well have "passed muster". We currently have far too many activist judges in the system, liberals who do not follow the Constitution and instead subvert it.
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LOL....the bigots called the judges that struck down bigotry in the civil rights movement "Activists" as well. I guess "Activist judges" means someone who won't allow the bigots to continue with their discrimination.
 
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Gaugingcatenate said:
Well, that is supposition on your part, of course... its common sense that is should very well have "passed muster". We currently have far too many activist judges in the system, liberals who do not follow the Constitution and instead subvert it.
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Supposition? No. Discrimination has been against the law for some time now.

You can blame whomever you like and you can disparage the reasoning and purpose but the law itself is pretty clear.
 
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disneydude said:
Christ himself never spoke on the subject...and many Christian religions are not against the idea, although many are. Regardless...you cannot hide behind religion as an excuse for bigotry. That is exactly what this Court said. If you choose to do business in this country, you have to comply with the laws of this land. You cannot use your religion as a shield to promote your bigotry and decide who you want to allow to patronize your business. This is the same ruling that prevented bigoted restaurant owners from refusing to serve blacks, just because they believed it violated their perverted version of "morality".
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Many "religions" have fallen from their appointed places as the upholders of morality is all that you are really relating here. As someone else has said here, Jesus was a Jew and the old testament, again, not a scholar of either old or new, but it seemed pretty much against homosexuality from my remembrance.

Myself? I don't care as long as you do not push it on me or try to force it upon others, or try to get everyone, whether they like it or not, to accept homosexuality... sorry, you cannot force me to say this is an acceptable and normal practice. Your own bigotry is blatant against those who would stand up for their morals, for which they have a Constitutional Right to have and hold, to practice freely and which, under the first amendment, cannot be infringed upon... I am sorry, there is no such similar amendment to the Constitution saying citizens have to honor and accept homosexuals...there just isn't, that is your fantasy, but not close to the truth of the matter.

Your race analogy falls flat, racism is not built upon any moral or biblical or religious principle... the bible, as far as I know, does not advocate for racism... it is, however, against homosexuality.
 
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disneydude said:
LOL....the bigots called the judges that struck down bigotry in the civil rights movement "Activists" as well. I guess "Activist judges" means someone who won't allow the bigots to continue with their discrimination.
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If that were the case then they would all be against homosexual bigots, now wouldn't they?
 
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Gaugingcatenate said:
Many "religions" have fallen from their appointed places as the upholders of morality is all that you are really relating here. As someone else has said here, Jesus was a Jew and the old testament, again, not a scholar of either old or new, but it seemed pretty much against homosexuality from my remembrance.

Myself? I don't care as long as you do not push it on me or try to force it upon others, or try to get everyone, whether they like it or not, to accept homosexuality... sorry, you cannot force me to say this is an acceptable and normal practice. Your own bigotry is blatant against those who would stand up for their morals, for which they have a Constitutional Right to have and hold, to practice freely and which, under the first amendment, cannot be infringed upon... I am sorry, there is no such similar amendment to the Constitution saying citizens have to honor and accept homosexuals...there just isn't, that is your fantasy, but not close to the truth of the matter.

Your race analogy falls flat, racism is not built upon any moral or biblical or religious principle... the bible, as far as I know, does not advocate for racism... it is, however, against homosexuality.
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People have an absolute right to their own religious beliefs...what they don't have a right to do is to use their religious beliefs as a shield of bigotry. If you choose to open a business in this country, you have to comply with our Constitution. Period. Don't like it? Don't want to live by the anti-bigot laws of this country? ...then don't open a business. This applies to the bigoted baker in the same way that it applied to the bigoted lunch counter owner. Racism absolutely is built upon the mistaken belief that one race is morally superior to another. Sorry dude....but you cannot use your personal interpretation of the bible to try to subvert the guarantees of the US Constitution. Sorry.
 
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specklebang said:
Supposition? No. Discrimination has been against the law for some time now.

You can blame whomever you like and you can disparage the reasoning and purpose but the law itself is pretty clear.
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Discrimination is against the law? WTF? You mean I cannot go into a shoe store and buy which sneakers I want, or when I choose one car over another at the lot...I cannot discriminate? Discrimination is what we all do when we choose one thing over another, that is not inherently evil, my man. That is being smart.

You think we don't "discriminate" against murderers, pedophiles, rapists, thieves... sorry, they do not all just willy-nilly get their way... and what you are advocating is that we discriminate in favor of the homosexual over the one standing up for their religions rights... it is just plain absurd the idea that anything anybody wants they just get or its considered "discrimination".

Come on, you are more intelligent than that.
 
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disneydude said:
People have an absolute right to their own religious beliefs...what they don't have a right to do is to use their religious beliefs as a shield of bigotry. If you choose to open a business in this country, you have to comply with our Constitution. Period. Don't like it? Don't want to live by the anti-bigot laws of this country? ...then don't open a business. This applies to the bigoted baker in the same way that it applied to the bigoted lunch counter owner. Racism absolutely is built upon the mistaken belief that one race is morally superior to another. Sorry dude....but you cannot use your personal interpretation of the bible to try to subvert the guarantees of the US Constitution. Sorry.
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Show me in the Constitution where it says a baker must be forced to bake a wedding cake for a homosexual couple... show me. Now, I can show you where all of us have, as you specifically stated, an ABSOLUTE right to their own religions beliefs... that is ABSOLUTE...which is defined by Merriam Webster as: complete and total : not limited in any way : having unlimited power...
 
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Bob Blaylock said:
1.)This is a ruling which upholds and embraces the very most sinister bigotry of all.

2.) A person who has moral values is no longer allowed to uphold them, and is forced to submit to forced participation in immorality as a condition of being able to make a living.

3.) As is often demonstrated, here we see that those who most loudly proclaim their opposition to bigotry are, in fact, usually the very worst bigots of all.
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1.) theres zero bigotry in the ruling, equal rights is being protected
2.) 100% completely false his values are still intact and he is 100% allowed to believe in them, there is no force
3.) except theres no facts to support this lie

I always love reading the fantasy you post and watching it get destroyed
 
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So the bottom line this guy CHOSE to participate in the PUBLIC REALM which has rules and laws that regulate it and they are the same for us all.
He ran a public access business and he was NOT allowed to ILLEGALLY discriminate and violate rights of people just like every other public realm/ public access businesses is not allowed to either.

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seems the perfectly right decision was made


illegal discrimination loses, thats a good thing
 
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Baking a cake is not a religious activity. It is not protected
 
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unconstitutional


Section 1.
Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
 
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disneydude said:
BTW..Digs......if this baker REALLY wanted to show he was a "Christian" he should start by demonstrating it. Actions speak louder than words. Jesus himself NEVER engaged in bigotry like this guy.
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disneydude said:
Was it "bullying" digs...to force bigoted restaurant owners into serving blacks? Bigotry in the name of religion is still bigotry.
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I think Jesus wouldn't support people living in sin. He was kind to the woman who was sleeping around, but he did tell her to go and sin no more.

Also, sexuality and what someone is sexually aroused by is not the same as race nor should they be compared or equated. The baker did not want to make a cake that would be used in the promotion of something he believed was sinful (gay sex/relationships). His beliefs and business should be respected. Going into someone's private business and demanding that they, as an individual, provide a service for you that violates the person's beliefs is bullying and that is bigotry. They aren't tolerant of the baker's beliefs and want to force him to provide them with a service to go against his morals and do something that he believes may be a promotion of what is morally wrong.
 
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digsbe said:
I think Jesus wouldn't support people living in sin. He was kind to the woman who was sleeping around, but he did tell her to go and sin no more.

Also, sexuality and what someone is sexually aroused by is not the same as race nor should they be compared or equated. The baker did not want to make a cake that would be used in the promotion of something he believed was sinful (gay sex/relationships). His beliefs and business should be respected. Going into someone's private business and demanding that they, as an individual, provide a service for you that violates the person's beliefs is bullying and that is bigotry. They aren't tolerant of the baker's beliefs and want to force him to provide them with a service to go against his morals and do something that he believes may be a promotion of what is morally wrong.
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Baking a cake is not a religious practice so it gets no protection from the constitution
 
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Deuce said:
Businesses that hold out to the public don't have the same rights as a private individual. Sorry this bothers you.
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True they don't, but they should. Where should the line be? Should restaurants be forced to remove pork from the menu and sell only kosher beef because some religions might be offended? Short females be granted special concessions due to their obvious disability in relation to NBA opportunities?

Bottom line, everybody is offended by something. There is plenty of opportunity for everybody to pick and choose what they want without infringing on my right to do the same.

Don't like a place of business, don't patronize it.
 
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sangha said:
Baking a cake is not a religious practice so it gets no protection from the constitution
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How so? Baking a cake for the purpose of honoring a gay relationship (a gay marriage) may be something the baker views as supporting that or going against his convictions. On the flip side, if a business felt it was wrong to support religion because religion brings about all the world's ills (in their view) I shouldn't be able to force the baker into servitude and have them bake for my church event. Part of his religious practice could be to live a moral life and not do things that go against what he believes is wrong. It's part of the "free exercise thereof." Religion is more than ritual, for many it's a way of life and permeates everything that they do with their actions and live existing to honor God or live along a certain path.
 
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re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

sangha said:
Baking a cake is not a religious practice so it gets no protection from the constitution
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but the constitution is clear no one can be put into.......... involuntary servitude...unless a crime has been committed, discrimination is not a crime.
 
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