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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    1.)My factually wrong statement? according to whom
    2.), you and every supporter of forcing others to comply to discrimination laws that violate others their moral conscience?
    3.) What a joke!
    1.) according to laws, rights, constitution, facts, court cases, ordinances, cases precedent
    2..) no not me see 1#
    3.) yes you denying these facts is a joke
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    What you fail to recognize both instances were the result of moral judgment directly related to their moral conscience. But folks like you in states that have allowed "gay rights" to trample religious freedoms will find new ways around the laws and who knows the jerkoffs who live in those states may wake up some day and vote to change it all.
    Businesses open to the public have no right to refuse service based on their moral judgement.
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    If this case ever gets to the Supreme Court, and the Constitution is followed, then the baker would obviously win. The Constitution was not designed to follow the fashions of the day.
    Thank you Grant for your response in a pool of idiocy.

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Where does it say that?
    Jeez, Man I just quoted the First Amendment! Can't you se where it says the government cannot prohibit the free exercise religio0n? The baker believes, according to his Christian religion, that marriage is between a man and a woman. He is exercising his religious right to not make a wedding cake for two people of the same sex.
    It's called "the law"
    It's called "The Constitution"!
    And baking a cake is not a religious practice and is not protected by the law
    WHOOOOOSH!
    Is english a second language for you? If a baker provides a product, like penis cakes, then they can not refuse to produce a penis cakes based on the customers sex, gender, sexual orientation, race, etc
    I'd really like to see that law about penis cakes. Why not post a link?

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Jeez, Man I just quoted the First Amendment! Can't you se where it says the government cannot prohibit the free exercise religio0n?
    Baking a cake is not an exercise of religion
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Just in case some people forget.

    In the United States, the religious civil liberties are guaranteed by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution:

    The First Amendment is as follows.



    This baker was clearly exercising his First Amendment rights.
    No duh. The problem here isn't with the right, but with the limit of that right. I can't just kill you in the name of God and then claim it was my religious right to do so. Do you know what "free exercise" means? The courts have struggled with that one for quite some time.

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    For the individual, the court must determine

    whether the person has a claim involving a sincere religious belief, and
    whether the government action is a substantial burden on the person’s ability to act on that belief.

    If these two elements are established, then the government must prove

    that it is acting in furtherance of a "compelling state interest," and
    that it has pursued that interest in the manner least restrictive, or least burdensome, to religion.

    The Supreme Court, however, curtailed the application of the Sherbert test in the 1990 case of Employment Division v. Smith. In that case, the Court held that a burden on free exercise no longer had to be justified by a compelling state interest if the burden was an unintended result of laws that are generally applicable.3

    After Smith, only laws (or government actions) that (1) were intended to prohibit the free exercise of religion, or (2) violated other constitutional rights, such as freedom of speech, were subject to the compelling interest test. For example, a state could not pass a law stating that Native Americans are prohibited from using peyote, but it could accomplish the same result by prohibiting the use of peyote by everyone.
    It will be interesting to see if the Colorado Anti Discrimination Act will be found unconstitutional, but I doubt it will under the current interpretation.
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Thank you Grant for your response in a pool of idiocy.
    No thanks are necessary, Vesper, but thanks anyway!.

    People should not be forced to do anything against their will and that should be clear to everyone. If it's not then the country is in real trouble.

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    No duh. The problem here isn't with the right, but with the limit of that right. I can't just kill you in the name of God and then claim it was my religious right to do so. Do you know what "free exercise" means? The courts have struggled with that one for quite some time.

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    Do you understand the difference between killing someone and not selling a cake to them? Time to get real!

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Businesses open to the public have no right to refuse service based on their moral judgement.
    not to mention moral judgments and moral conscience is absolutely meaningless when it comes to breaking the law and infringing on the rights of others, its beyond absurd to even come up with the logic that it matters.

    I guess if i think rape is ok by my moral judgments and moral conscience i should be allowed to do it. LMAO
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Baking a cake is not an exercise of religion
    Maybe in some religions it is. You seem more certain of this than me.

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